How bad are the twinks? And how does invading work?

[ShieldofFeep]

So every time i talk with people about this game they say "oh get the seemless co-op" are there really that many twinks running around? Aka people running around areas with gear from much later in the game and invading people who have no access to said late game items.

How does invading in this game work compared to the 3 Dark Souls games?

[MundM]

Originally posted by Pusheen:

Originally posted by MundM:

Twinking is terrible as always in the first 3rd of the game. Given the openess of the game, there are some spells and weapons used by twinks, you just can't outplay unless you really know what you're doing.

what is an example of broken gear in elden ring? to my understanding it was bad in ds but whats wrong in er?

There are more status effects that are easier to apply in Elden Ring, by comparison to DS. I mean, ok, twinking in Vanilla Dark Souls was pretty much the worst, because only Soul Level was used for match making, so you could steam roll anyone with fully upgraded gear... but, in Elden Ring you have stuff like Rot, Madness, Poison, Sleep, and all of this can be applied with several methods, from weapons, to spells, to throwing weapons, arrows etc. Rot is like toxic in Dark Souls 1, but the remidy is not only limited to make and or buy in the game, but a newby won't have any of it, or so little, that it won't save you. The invader could use what's called dragon breath, it's 2 variants of a spells where you spew giant clouds of rot, and an early play most likely won't have enough of a status bar to avoid getting the tick... not that it matters, because the invader could have more mana potions than the host has health potions, so the invader just spams it till he hits.

It gets a lot better about 2/3rds in the game when the weapon upgrades become a more important factor for match making.

Again, if you compare it to DS, yeah, Elden Ring twinks are weak, lol.

[Frik]

yes, almost every invader twink. as for other souls invasion, its hell for someone who just want to pve

[Frik]

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Originally posted by Pusheen:

Dragon halberd has such a slow windup, if they're getting hit thats on them. Yeah it does dmg, but so does smth like lifesteal fist. Doesn't mean your gonna hit it. Imma be honest I think its over rated but thats just me

Maybe it's slow but hyperarmor makes it work miracles. Then twinks have duped rot pots and host is left with no way to cure it.

ill give you game knowledge then, cure for scarlet rot available earlier than the recipe for rot pot, if u got killed by rot, its you who lack of knowledge

[Pusheen]

Originally posted by Frik:

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Maybe it's slow but hyperarmor makes it work miracles. Then twinks have duped rot pots and host is left with no way to cure it.

ill give you game knowledge then, cure for scarlet rot available earlier than the recipe for rot pot, if u got killed by rot, its you who lack of knowledge

I don't think twinking is a problem but this is just wrong. The whole point is that people have access to rot pots before you have access to cures, it has absolutely nothing with when you unlock them, its the fact any invader can have them. But, one thing I will say, is how many phantoms are twinked out of their brain. Like you can say "oh I don't twink when I co-op, therefore no one does" but it just isn't true. Do invasions yourself, and see our perspective.

[Zetheros]

the cure for rot for legit players is Flame Cleanse Me. Nobody playing the game without cheat engine or the merchant mod will actually use the dozen or so preserving boluses the game gives you, save for maybe the lake of rot or niche circumstances.

It requires 12 faith, or hardswap with 2 fingers talisman / faith boosting gear. It also locks you into the spellcasting animation, which is a few seconds longer than eating a preserving bolus, which anyone considering online play should absolutely have 999 of.

Those seconds + FP of casting Flame Cleanse Me will absolutely get a legit player killed, especially when the rot comes from a bleed infused poison mist antspur rapier, or drawstring rot grease on an estoc / cleanrot thrusting sword

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by Frik:

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Maybe it's slow but hyperarmor makes it work miracles. Then twinks have duped rot pots and host is left with no way to cure it.

ill give you game knowledge then, cure for scarlet rot available earlier than the recipe for rot pot, if u got killed by rot, its you who lack of knowledge

Amazing, but... none invader that throws them at low levels actually farms the butterflies to craft them... you know.

Also do you believe invader and host started the playthrough at the exact same time so the host will have a cure for rot by the time invader comes to their world with the rot pots? I don't know what kind of twisted logic you tried to apply there.

[MundM]

Originally posted by Frik:

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Maybe it's slow but hyperarmor makes it work miracles. Then twinks have duped rot pots and host is left with no way to cure it.

ill give you game knowledge then, cure for scarlet rot available earlier than the recipe for rot pot, if u got killed by rot, its you who lack of knowledge

Ah, yes, the cure for rot... you do realize "early and late" are non arguments, right? Because the host will be early, and a twinker has no sense of time, because he already made his character from items available throughout the hole game.

The sacramental buds you need for the cure are extremely rare and don't regrow and there is only one type of enemy that drops them with a lower single digit percentage chance... no "early" host can affort to heal rot, because if he attempts, he'll run through his ressources in 2-3 invaders... it's better to die to it and use the bolusses in pve.

"earlier than the recipe for rot pot" Laughing my butt of here, really. You seem to not know what a twink is, because by your definition, it wouldn't be a twink, if he wouldn't have the pots. Also, the dragon rot breath is even more effective and can be used unlimitted times as long as you have mana.

[void]

Nah the game is fine. There's some strong flat damage buffs and consumable items that are pretty nasty at low levels, but it's nothing as bad as we've had in the past. I'm not even talking Dark Souls 1 here, even the Dragonslayer Axe or the Dark Hand, or the riposte 1 shots, from DS3 were nastier than what we have now. It's mostly a skill issue if you lose to an invader as a group, at least post level 30. Maybe avoid invaders until then.

If you want to come prepared for early (levels 30-60) pvp so you have a fighting chance against invaders you should consider grabbing one of the ashes of war that buffs your weapon (lightning slash, flame strike, or sacred blade) and Flame Cleanse Me. With this combination your weapon will hit hard enough to be able to scare invaders off of pressuring you, and with that space you can cleanse DoT effects. Frost infusions are really strong early too, as a note, if you have a different ash of war in mind.

There's tons of ways to build in this game, even that early, that're strong/viable but those are the easiest tools to apply for the greatest results if you're new to pvp and low level.