I am glad fromsoftware is getting their game review bombed for difficulty.

[Viridian]

I'm a casual, I am also better at FPS games because thats what i grew up on. When i first bought ER i was so excited because people said it was easier that dark souls but I was never able to beat much beyond that little camp of knights at the beginning zone and carriages with some weapons in them to pick up. FromSoftware should've added difficulty levels like literally any other RPG game because not everyone wants to take their games seriously and now they've taken a step too far and even the pro xd rawr gamers of youtube are struggling. I know people are going to hate on this take and that's fine but the reality is gaming shouldn't have to be as stressful as a job, I shouldn't have to deal with trolls spamming rivers because i want to play with my friend. A game shouldn't be so frustrating to play that i pushed my thumb-sticks though the controller board trying to kill some of the very first bosses(not talking about the mounted knight in the beginning zone). I hope Fromsoftware learns a valuable lesson in this and makes their games for a wider audience in the future.

Ps. This isn’t intended as bait, contrary to what you think. It’s interesting how people cant comprehend a different viewpoint and therefore must invalidate it by calling it bait lest they come to terms with reality or agree to disagree like adults. Typical Steam forums moment

[Moyai]

引用自 Veridian：

I'm a casual, I am also better at FPS games because thats what i grew up on. When i first bought ER i was so excited because people said it was easier that dark souls but I was never able to beat much beyond that little camp of knights at the beginning zone and carriages with some weapons in them to pick up. FromSoftware should've added difficulty levels like literally any other RPG game because not everyone wants to take their games seriously and now they've taken a step too far and even the pro xd rawr gamers of youtube are struggling. I know people are going to hate on this take and that's fine but the reality is gaming shouldn't have to be as stressful as a job, I shouldn't have to deal with trolls spamming rivers because i want to play with my friend. A game shouldn't be so frustrating to play that i pushed my thumb-sticks though the controller board trying to kill some of the very first bosses(not talking about the mounted knight in the beginning zone). I hope Fromsoftware learns a valuable lesson in this and makes their games for a wider audience in the future.

Ps. This isn’t intended as bait, contrary to what you think. It’s interesting how people cant comprehend a different viewpoint and therefore must invalidate it by calling it bait lest they come to terms with reality or agree to disagree like adults. Typical Steam forums moment

This game has difficulty options, it is called using spirit ashes and not using spirit ashes. You are free to choose this for each fight, doesn't that sound crazy?
Anyway, considering this is literally something you unlock at the start, I have to say this looks a lot like bait

[Cyber_Chupacabra]

And yes, the game can be trivialised by just using tools that it gives you like summons, ashes, over-levelling, using magic.

[Viridian]

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

I suck at fighting games - therefore unless I get better at them I don't play them. But I don't go to the Mortal Kombat forum demanding the game to be changed to my level.
Similar, I know that ER DLC is way over my level - I just wont play it, but would never yell at developer to make it easier.

I never said to make it easier. Just add easy normal and hard and u pick one when you start a save. LIKE ANY OTHER GAME. that doesn't change how YOU play the game, it gives you more power as the end user of the product and FS would sell more titles. its a win win for everyone

[EF_Neo1st]

引用自 Steezus：

引用自 Sharkon：

I remember a time when Dark Souls was praised for it's difficulty and it was considered as "the hardest game out there". sure some folk never played arcade games back in the day, that was "hard" but Dark Souls was a challange and made FromSoft popular in the western world.

now people cry for FromSoft games being too difficult. generation thing? idk.

I think this is more due to more and more people coming into these games, not much of a generation thing yk

And it is indeed a generation thing.
Before good chunk of people that played Dark Souls and Demon Souls were people that were already adults that played games in the 80s and 90s and now at ER there is an influx of people that never played any of the 80s and 90s games or that find these to have bad design because of the difficulty (goes figure).

It is similar to simracing, before simulators were known to be harder than the other racing games because it demand more in-lline with real life driving techniques and dont allow Mario Kart or NFS driving style to work and.. guess what happen from time to time at ssimulator forums?
"Why game so hard?"
"Why my car wont turn?"
"Why so many cheaters online with fast times while I drive the car on the limit and am seconds off these cheaters times?"
And so on. . . it is a generation thing and the genres becoming more popular therefore a wider audience ppurchase and the results shows, people that expect a harder game to not be that hard or to play exactly like they play other games and get the same results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahrBOvz1jzA

[Silavire]

引用自 Hidetaka Miyazaki：

"If we really wanted the whole world to play the game, we could just crank the difficulty down more and more. But that wasn't the right approach,"

"Had we taken that approach, I don't think the game would have done what it did, because the sense of achievement that players gain from overcoming these hurdles is such a fundamental part of the experience. Turning down difficulty would strip the game of that joy - which, in my eyes, would break the game itself."

If you don't enjoy hard games - that's fine, you can go and play what you like instead. But don't try to come here and say that FromSoft should ruin their game, a game not made for you in the first place, to appeal to you.

[Cyber_Chupacabra]

引用自 Veridian：

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

I suck at fighting games - therefore unless I get better at them I don't play them. But I don't go to the Mortal Kombat forum demanding the game to be changed to my level.
Similar, I know that ER DLC is way over my level - I just wont play it, but would never yell at developer to make it easier.

I never said to make it easier. Just add easy normal and hard and u pick one when you start a save. LIKE ANY OTHER GAME. that doesn't change how YOU play the game, it gives you more power as the end user of the product and FS would sell more titles. its a win win for everyone

And my answer is - it already does that by giving you the tools like summons - they can pretty much beat bosses for you. You can summon npc, friends - Souls games always had "difficulty option".

[Viridian]

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

And yes, the game can be trivialized by just using tools that it gives you like summons, ashes, over-leveling, using magic.

but I don't want to shoehorned into playing a certain way because my hands cant hit keys as fast as normal people. I want to be able to play like everyone else. if perfect parry windows were longer in a metaphorical easy mode for example that alone would make a big difference.

[Cyber_Chupacabra]

Look, I understand what you are saying, and please don't take this as being "elitist", or "gate keeping" but if my legs dont move fast enough - I simply wont run the marathon.
Gaming market is full of games for everybody, the beauty of DS is the difficulty.

[Viridian]

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

引用自 Veridian：

I never said to make it easier. Just add easy normal and hard and u pick one when you start a save. LIKE ANY OTHER GAME. that doesn't change how YOU play the game, it gives you more power as the end user of the product and FS would sell more titles. its a win win for everyone

And my answer is - it already does that by giving you the tools like summons - they can pretty much beat bosses for you. You can summon npc, friends - Souls games always had "difficulty option".

i summon a friend and a troll spamming rivers ruins both our naked low level days. i install a mod to make thing easier and get a ban from FS. there's just no way to have fun in this game as a casual gamer without being forced into certain ways of playing. And you have slog though the frustrating game-play to even unlock those easier ways of playing.

[Viridian]

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

Look, I understand what you are saying, and please don't take this as being "elitist", or "gate keeping" but if my legs dont move fast enough - I simply wont run the marathon.
Gaming market is full of games for everybody, the beauty of DS is the difficulty.

people who's legs don't work still have marathons in wheel chairs. people who's legs don't work fast enough can still run and finish a marathon, they just wont win

[gandril]

Difficult games (eg- ER, DS etc) add spice to the gaming genre, if every game will have same core mechanics, wouldn't it will be the decay of diversity, which gaming as a medium provide.

[EF_Neo1st]

引用自 Veridian：

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

And yes, the game can be trivialized by just using tools that it gives you like summons, ashes, over-leveling, using magic.

but I don't want to shoehorned into playing a certain way because my hands cant hit keys as fast as normal people. I want to be able to play like everyone else. if perfect parry windows were longer in a metaphorical easy mode for example that alone would make a big difference.

If your hands can not hit the keys as fast as other people, the options are:
1 - use earlier cues as trigger for your key inputs (so not the exact same cues others use)
2 - use other method or approach (like, parry is not the only way even at Sekiro, even tho there it is far easier than in any Souls or souls-like game I ever played)
3 - use more of the ingame tools to give you more leniency (there are several thiings that allow the player to have leniency levels and thaat excluding spirit ashes and summons)
4 - if anything (like refusing to play other style with other method or approach and not using different cues) play other game., not all games have to be for everyone.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

引用自 Fourmoyle：

...this feels like bait, no one can be this entitled.

It's one of those things where you pray it's just bait bc frankly, if it's not, it's super worrisome.

[Silavire]

引用自 Veridian：

引用自 Cyber_Chupacabra：

And my answer is - it already does that by giving you the tools like summons - they can pretty much beat bosses for you. You can summon npc, friends - Souls games always had "difficulty option".

i summon a friend and a troll spamming rivers ruins both our naked low level days. i install a mod to make thing easier and get a ban from FS. there's just no way to have fun in this game as a casual gamer without being forced into certain ways of playing. And you have slog though the frustrating game-play to even unlock those easier ways of playing.

Because it is not a game for a casual player. You are a fish that keeps trying to climb the tree. You hate it, you know you are not supposed to climb trees, but instead of going back into the river you suggest to just throw the whole tree down the stream. Disregarding the needs of birds living on its branches.

[EF_Neo1st]

引用自 Silavire：

引用自 Veridian：

i summon a friend and a troll spamming rivers ruins both our naked low level days. i install a mod to make thing easier and get a ban from FS. there's just no way to have fun in this game as a casual gamer without being forced into certain ways of playing. And you have slog though the frustrating game-play to even unlock those easier ways of playing.

Because it is not a game for a casual player. You are a fish that keeps trying to climb the tree. You hate it, you know you are not supposed to climb trees, but instead of going back into the river you suggest to just throw the whole tree down the stream. Disregarding the needs of birds living on its branches.

That is quite a comparison that fits perfectly.
Fish that wants to go up a tree but because fish can not birds and other animals that need a tree standing up with its roots buried on the ground can not have it because "fish must have the same tree laying on the water",