Charlie's Elden Ring Review is absolutely based.

[Grimmz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7IWHTvJEKI

2:52~

you heard it here first, now go use a summon if you can't get good.

complaining about difficulty is so smooth brain when you limit yourself from using all of your power/tools provided for you. if you are stuck and can't beat a boss, what do you do?
of course you go through your inventory/items to figure out what to change to improve.
craft some boost items, grab a summon, call a friend, all those are tools to help you get through.

heck even Miyazaki himself has said that of course a player should look up a guide online to beat an encounter in game, he 100% supports that. its not shameful, you don't need to ego about it. if you're not simply good enough, then help yourself!

[Grimmz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

yeah you are absolutely correct.

but what i'm saying is that there is an easy mode. the problem is people not using it, not the game being hard. if you make your time hard, thats not the game's issue.

[Koryiaki]

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

spoken like someone who let brains worms convince them to never use summons, it's in the game, it's a mechanic that was designed and weighted into difficulty. No one is impressed by you pretending that bosses don't absolutely slaughter them since they have no concept of survivability (refering to dlc).

[Cyber_Chupacabra]

Why all those people look like ♥♥♥♥♥ from South Park?

[Purpleetea]

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

There is no difficulty in the game is you use summons. Its just free green pass card for you to get to another point without any skill. These clowns think that "oh if the game is hard for you just use summons" are brain rot lunatics that forgetting what made From software soulslike games so special in the first place.

[🌠Deusgo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh CompactDisc:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grimmz:

i'm still solo with my mimic, thats not another person, thats my power.

its like naruto's shadow clone jutsu.

such a skill issue. worse than asmongold it seems.

Grrr, they are using items that makes them enjoy the game and helps to beat bosses! How dare they. I must gait keep this game

[roi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Purpleetea:

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

There is no difficulty in the game is you use summons. Its just free green pass card for you to get to another point without any skill. These clowns think that "oh if the game is hard for you just use summons" are brain rot lunatics that forgetting what made From software soulslike games so special in the first place.

It wasn't Ashes of War and bosses with 40000hp, that's for sure.

[Exzlu]

Former souls-like player here: Get good. Thats all there is to it. If you cant beat the game, as.charlie said: Get scadutree fragments but if you dont want to, then play better and be better. Stop crying as game is made for veterans feel like they are playing game a new. Learn everything you can and how bosses work. Then you can win or use summons and such for easy mode.

Its no shame use summons or fragments if you enjoy easier time. Explore world and find new things, buffs or other treasures.

[vamirez]

Just watched this video on a recommendation from another thread. Charlie is 100% right here, and it's a very good ten minutes after being gaslit by haters for two days here now. Doesn't matter if you care about the guy or not - he is right. Give it a listen, and thx OP for posting this.

[EastCLiff]

Ridiculous point of elden ring forums and communities is they speak about 'git gud' while the fact is that these gitguders are desperately gitguding themselves to respond on all claims. They can't cut interests on bad opinions and their self-gitgudding. Are they really rightful to say gitgud?

[Sunbather]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grimmz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

yeah you are absolutely correct.

but what i'm saying is that there is an easy mode. the problem is people not using it, not the game being hard. if you make your time hard, thats not the game's issue.

Disagree. The exact reason people love DS and its successors is because the game encourages the player to learn and adapt. It's not the character that needs to learn a skill in the skill tree - the player should understand the problem and solve it accordingly. And DS games for example gave the player different options to do so - something was better, something was worse but at the end of the day every option was viable.

The balancing around summons just shuts this whole thing down. The game states that certain playstyles are not good enough and to succeed the player has to shut down bosses' AI. People can cope about the "tools given to the player" but disabling AI to stand back and shoot the boss in the back is not why this series is a phenomenon it became.

[Sigma993]

Personally I'm someone who likes challenges in souls games and I never use broken builds, summons or any items that trivialize the experience for me.
I also never understood why some people force their self-imposed rules on others and insult them for taking an easier or different approach.
Honestly just enjoy the game and ignore these clowns on the internet!

[boy i'll whip ya head]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koryiaki:

Diposting pertama kali oleh boy i'll whip ya head:

nah spirit summons ruin the game. whats the point when the summon is an infinite hp tank that distracts the boss the entire time while you just spam attacks from the back with no chance of getting punished for it. you're not even learning the game, you're not learning the boss's moveset, you're not getting the satisfaction of getting better and beating something that was causing you so much trouble all by yourself, you're just cheesing it by getting an infinite hp tank to distract the boss while you kill it from the back. its not even the same game anymore it completely takes all the fun out. if they changed it to where the boss only targets you instead of the summon I feel like it would be alot more fun but the way it is now it takes ALL the difficulty and fun out of the game.

spoken like someone who let brains worms convince them to never use summons, it's in the game, it's a mechanic that was designed and weighted into difficulty. No one is impressed by you pretending that bosses don't absolutely slaughter them since they have no concept of survivability (refering to dlc).

nope, this is spoken by someone who has played and loved the souls games since I played DS1 in 2012. The entire point of the series is to learn and adapt to the bosses and get that adrenaline fueled win by learning the boss and slowly getting better at the game. Spirit summons ruin all of that. Every boss I've used mimic tear on I had to alt f4 before I beat it because it wasn't fun at all, its cheesy and literally just hands you a free win first try. No sense of that satisfying heart racing gameplay. A boss could be giving you so much trouble, but instead of learning its moveset and getting better you can just use mimic tear and first try the boss every time by spamming attacks while the boss focuses on your infinite HP summon. There are other games where they give you absolutely broken items/gear that breaks the entire game and makes it completely easy and it doesn't change the fact that by using that you're taking out all the fun and challenge from the game, and you get NO sense of satisfaction whatsoever for beating the boss. The entire point of souls games is the CHALLENGE. Wtf is the point of using a summon that takes out ALL the difficulty and can make you first try any boss in a game that revolves around being challenging and having to actually learn boss movesets.

At the end of the day, spirit summons were put in as a way for casual scrub players to be able to beat any boss they want with ease. It takes away all the difficulty from the game which is exactly what a casual player that just wants to move on to the next boss wants. If you want to take out all the difficulty just to progress then go ahead, thats your prerogative, but dont get mad at others when they justifiably say that spirit summons are scrubby and takes all the fun and difficulty out, because that is just an objective fact.

[lekayrnthon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grimmz:

Diposting pertama kali oleh CompactDisc:

If you cant solo a boss you ♥♥♥♥

i'm still solo with my mimic, thats not another person, thats my power.

its like naruto's shadow clone jutsu.

Ooh, good perspective.

[scambammer]

what is with this forum and streamer worshippers?

[lekayrnthon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sigma993:

Personally I'm someone who likes challenges in souls games and I never use broken builds, summons or any items that trivialize the experience for me.
I also never understood why some people force their self-imposed rules on others and insult them for taking an easier or different approach.
Honestly just enjoy the game and ignore these clowns on the internet!

Can I pin this post at the top of the forum?