These bosses aren't very intuitive or fun for a first playthrough.

[Not_L_Username]

If gino machino spent 2 hours on the dancing lion boss and couldn't even come close to figuring out a consistent no hit strat then there is a problem. No casual player is going to ever come close to working out any of these movesets and clearly neither can the top players either.

The whole first run of the DLC is going to just be damage trading for 99.9% of the community. Maybe there are some remembrance bosses that break the mold but I think from have forgotten what made DS3's DLC bosses so peak.

The damage is too high to reward any attempts to find new openings openings or cool strafes like with alot of the any% bosses, and alot of these moves are never going to be worked out. There is a 0% chance that any of the reviewers actually understood the majority of the boss mechanics on a first playthrough lol.

Seemingly the poise break system has been completely forgotten about on alot of these bosses with their movesets being too fast to punish with CR2's or even jumping R2's in some cases. Like ofc it's still very easy to farm stuns but not while taking considerable damage when winding up R2's.

Feel free to disagree, :)

[Shield]

lion took me 30 minutes and im just a regular dude with "only" a few playthroughs under my belt. hardly a herculean challenge. if youre casual get a sh!tload of scurdtree tokens, summons adn then try him. literally like any of the other hard, endgame bosses in the game.

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by owlBear:

lion took me 30 minutes and im just a regular dude with "only" a few playthroughs under my belt. hardly a herculean challenge. if youre casual get a sh!tload of scurdtree tokens, summons adn then try him. literally like any of the other hard, endgame bosses in the game.

Nah but not like beating the boss because anyone can beat him lol. I meant understanding the bosses mechanics / moveset to some degree.

[Steel]

"artificial difficulty" doesn't exist, the DLC is very very hard, drop the scrub mentality

[Tatts87]

they arnt hard also gino spent 2 hours on it learning his attack patterns he could have killed it anytime by the way. you didnt realize that by the way

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by Aerieanei:

Saying Dark Souls 2 is difficult is like saying Kirby's Epic Yarn is difficult.

I didn't say it was difficult, I said it was using artificial difficult especially in schollar where they made every room a gank fest lol.

[Shield]

Originally posted by Not_L_Username:

Originally posted by owlBear:

lion took me 30 minutes and im just a regular dude with "only" a few playthroughs under my belt. hardly a herculean challenge. if youre casual get a sh!tload of scurdtree tokens, summons adn then try him. literally like any of the other hard, endgame bosses in the game.

Nah but not like beating the boss because anyone can beat him lol. I meant understanding the bosses mechanics / moveset to some degree.

well that's what i mean, this phase of the game is well beyond the point where you can just panic roll to victory every boss, this dlc slots into about the haligtree/cfa in terms of general difficulty. and for a casual as i mentioned you can always brute force it with co-op and the dlc stat buffs

in fact tbh i found the lion to telegraph everything pretty well. if he's gonna bite you, he's snapping his jaws. if he's gonna ice stomp, he raises his foot. if he's gonna breathe, he stands upright, and if he's gonna combo you there's a little sound cue that sounds like a guard counter. i used colossal gs and was finding plenty of openings with him and the hippo too a little in another direction of the zone.

it's not really ludicrous or crazy, certainly not enough to ward off a casual. everyone learns at different paces and have their strengths but my friend group were all past lion within 2 hours, so not rly sure what was happening with the guy you reference. i believe he made it look harder than it really was

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by Tatts87:

they arnt hard also gino spent 2 hours on it learning his attack patterns he could have killed it anytime by the way. you didnt realize that by the way

No I literally did smh... I ofc know he could've killed him but he clearly wanted to try and learn his moveset better which he could not do. Re read.

[Baelfyr]

The Dark Souls 2: 2 Meme is in full swing in the DLC lmao

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

The Dark Souls 2: 2 Meme is in full swing in the DLC lmao

bruh I stg I mention DS2 and everyone comes running like the road runner lol, Forgot how passionate ppl were about it,

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by Aerieanei:

Originally posted by Not_L_Username:

I didn't say it was difficult, I said it was using artificial difficult especially in schollar where they made every room a gank fest lol.

Are you just sprinting into every room running around naked with a crappy weapon? Majority of the levels even have summons so if you're that bad even with a summon, sounds like a you problem. Most mobs in Dark Souls 2 die in 1 to 2 hits. I don't really see how that's hard.

Never mentioning DS2 again omg

[Tatts87]

Originally posted by Not_L_Username:

Originally posted by Tatts87:

they arnt hard also gino spent 2 hours on it learning his attack patterns he could have killed it anytime by the way. you didnt realize that by the way

No I literally did smh... I ofc know he could've killed him but he clearly wanted to try and learn his moveset better which he could not do. Re read.

like any boss learn their moveset and ur good. not supposed to beat it right off the rip also all the mimick users plowing through the game. get good. its a skill issue for u casuals

[CazadorDeLobo]

The DLC so far seems full of "aha! gotcha" mechanics and philosophy, where the thing the devs defeat constitute 95% of what they've given the player to use.

[BingusDingus]

I don't find the boss hard more so as i find it annoying. There's so many aspects of that fight that just make it frustrating, like the godawful lock on camera placement which seems to be a common issue across the entire DLC as i've run into multiple bosses with the camera target being placed far too high.

I can read it's attacks, both it's air and ice anyways, the lighting is just too random to read as you never know where the lightning is going to appear on the ground. The problem again is that i can't see what the boss is doing half the time because of the camera and because of there being so many on screen effects that it completely obscures your vision.

Probably the most annoying part of the boss however, other than it causing stutters, is that it attacks way too damn much, which again seems to be a common issue with many of the bosses in this DLC, they give you little to no openings. The openings on this boss are so small that sometimes he starts attacking again after finishing his combo before I even recover from my light attack.

This isn't a matter of getting good, it's a matter of piss poor design. I don't know how many times my camera got sucked inside him when he went go go gadget extendo.

[Not_L_Username]

Originally posted by Tatts87:

Originally posted by Not_L_Username:

No I literally did smh... I ofc know he could've killed him but he clearly wanted to try and learn his moveset better which he could not do. Re read.

like any boss learn their moveset and ur good. not supposed to beat it right off the rip also all the mimick users plowing through the game. get good. its a skill issue for u casuals

Have u done him hitless yet? If ur calling the best player in the world a casual then good luck in life and bye

[Last Jackdaw]

Use a greatshield until you learn the patterns