Will we ever see Godwyn the golden?

[Mecharion]

Since his corps is deep under the tree and with the dlc we will travel to another part of the world i guess we will never see the prince of death as a boss.

A bit sad.. since i was looking forwards to him since i saw his creepy ttansformation in the first trailer.

Your thoughts?

[TwinChops]

Well his soul got murdered to death so i doubt that we get him. And if we do, its not him but someone else because like i said his soul is gone.

[Mecharion]

Wasnt it miquellas wish to bring him true death?

So kinda the dlc is connected with godwyn

[Purromi]

As we know
- Godwyn after war pacted with dragons (he also uses dragon incantations)
- Using dragon incantation makes you a dragon itself - more dragonic power - more dragonic look
- He turned into fishy dragon. I guess his soul deformed to. Do the death mark works also on dragon souls? all being have souls? or maybe dragons have different aspect of "will" inside them?
- Farum azula is placed "beyond time" - and time and gravity works different here. It's possible for this place to be in two places in one time. Time dilation and theory about how time works, gravity affecting time, Farum azura is not in "our time" it's in some abstract place and from view of between lands we see it different than we are in.
- Milena can travel between worlds? connection to lands of shadow? farum azula? How she teleports us to "time beyond" how exacly powerful she was? how she even survived the fff frenzied flame ending? she is only being that can make you "sleep" by touch - it's dream world? makes her a viable saint trina living outside the rules.
- Placidisax is some sort of a glitch in time in elden ring. He awaits return of god. God of dragon? what if not.. and he awaits to return of godwyn? Who is like god and he turns into dragon he also becomes a dragon god? he is out of time, beyond the time.
- Order is manifestation of rules of current lord. Before the tree was a sun order.
- Why sun and moon is so big in dlc? we are in sky? we are in some sort of connected-multi-verse? order changed affecting how world in lands between functions? we are out of lands between? what if sun order return in dlc? ressurecting the godwyn as a soul less dragon like being and challenger with ambitions to return the age of dragons and beasts?
- messmer has also dragon eyes and dragon parts, dragon incantations. What if he lives in sealed lands of shadows where even death can't catch you due to soul here lives in only one side of reality instead of two? What if messmer will destroy current order and bring different rules of his own order making godwyn a ressurected dead of dragon? he was against the marika order. he has connections to dragons so it's for his sake to stand in one foot with order of sun of godwyn the golden.
- we have ships on trailer. land of shadows probably was the first place where marika went - she sealed it due to what? smh against her order. against the order without death. maybe death has different abstract "route" in lands of shadow.

[TwinChops]

Originally posted by Mecharion:

Wasnt it miquellas wish to bring him true death?

So kinda the dlc is connected with godwyn

Huh, i seem to remember something on those lines yeah.
Theres just to much Lore so well hidden wich is also easy forgattable.

Could be interesting then, because like i said his soul is gone just like rannis body is.

[chaurusblood]

His Death Knights' weapons have an item description that talks of a "surrogate"