Will Mohg filter DLC buyers? Help them.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Legitimate question: DLC access is the cocoon in Mohgwyn's Temple, right? Confirmed or speculated?

If so, based on the achievement rate for Mohg... 38% have beat him, while 50% have beat the game. Using that 50% as a base, this means 24% of people who have beat the game have not beat Mohg.

With this in mind, people's DLC prep might be best directed at co-op support vs. him so that the 24% don't have to suffer through a fight with him alone, trying to beat him for their first time.

Brand new players just buying the base game + DLC will have even more trouble without a good co-op base. They will likely be hazed for complaining about the difficulty of getting into paid content, because that's the internet for you.

My advice is to keep your summoning sign down near his fog wall or use the pool.

Source: https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/03/17/director-miyazaki-discusses-elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-new-weapons-approach-to-difficulty-grrms-involvement/ Confirms requirements of entry. Radahn is included.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

I mean tbf, this guy does a lot of dmg and has the reach of freaking Sephiroth.

I swear, this mf, holds the end of the trident with the tips of his fingernails with his arm fully stretched while leaning like a ballerina from the tip of his feet when swinging the damn thing.

Too funny.

Also I think I'm going to see how One Winged Angel holds up during Mohg's boss fight next time.


OP, could be some don't even know Mohg exists but due to the DLC are more likely to learn about it. Others might have avoided just because they don't even care about it back then but may now. It is hard to really say until we see the DLC release for a few weeks.

well to be fair if you killed mogh in the capital then the only new thing is phase 2 and even then it's only 2 or 3 attacks the big 2 hand thrust, the flying attack and the bloodslinging....

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

I mean tbf, this guy does a lot of dmg and has the reach of freaking Sephiroth.

I swear, this mf, holds the end of the trident with the tips of his fingernails with his arm fully stretched while leaning like a ballerina from the tip of his feet when swinging the damn thing.

Too funny.

Also I think I'm going to see how One Winged Angel holds up during Mohg's boss fight next time.

A lot of good music works well with boss fights in the game, but in my experience it's really better for PvP

Originally posted by Troja:

Originally posted by Xengre:

Too funny.

Also I think I'm going to see how One Winged Angel holds up during Mohg's boss fight next time.


OP, could be some don't even know Mohg exists but due to the DLC are more likely to learn about it. Others might have avoided just because they don't even care about it back then but may now. It is hard to really say until we see the DLC release for a few weeks.

well to be fair if you killed mogh in the capital then the only new thing is phase 2 and even then it's only 2 or 3 attacks the big 2 hand thrust, the flying attack and the bloodslinging....

Yes, but tell that to people that haven't finished him yet. Better yet, just show them. Summon sign down, and all that.

[duck_dodgers]

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Mogh is easier than Radabeast, I would guess.
Anyway, I could imagine, that some customers are rather upset, when they first have to beat an mid/endgame boss to access the paid DLC-content.
Simply, because of the attitude "get instantly what you paid for".

I imagine people smashing their head against Mogh, while others already experience the DLC content...

If I remember right, accessing every FromSoft DLC requires beating a certain number of bosses in the base game e.g. all main bosses up to the Iron Golem to reach Oolacile in DS1, up to the Crystal sage (for Ariandel) and all bosses up to the final boss (for Ringed City) in DS3. So FromSoft haven't done anything that they haven't done before.

To be honest I'm relieved that Miyazaki didn't place the DLC access at the Scarlet flower or in Placi's arena.

[pix]

Originally posted by duck_dodgers:

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Mogh is easier than Radabeast, I would guess.
Anyway, I could imagine, that some customers are rather upset, when they first have to beat an mid/endgame boss to access the paid DLC-content.
Simply, because of the attitude "get instantly what you paid for".

I imagine people smashing their head against Mogh, while others already experience the DLC content...

If I remember right, accessing every FromSoft DLC requires beating a certain number of bosses in the base game e.g. all main bosses up to the Iron Golem to reach Oolacile in DS1, up to the Crystal sage (for Ariandel) and all bosses up to the final boss (for Ringed City) in DS3. So FromSoft haven't done anything that they haven't done before.

To be honest I'm relieved that Miyazaki didn't place the DLC access at the Scarlet flower or in Placi's arena.

honestly i would rather kill placcid than mohg to get to the dlc

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by duck_dodgers:

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Mogh is easier than Radabeast, I would guess.
Anyway, I could imagine, that some customers are rather upset, when they first have to beat an mid/endgame boss to access the paid DLC-content.
Simply, because of the attitude "get instantly what you paid for".

I imagine people smashing their head against Mogh, while others already experience the DLC content...

If I remember right, accessing every FromSoft DLC requires beating a certain number of bosses in the base game e.g. all main bosses up to the Iron Golem to reach Oolacile in DS1, up to the Crystal sage (for Ariandel) and all bosses up to the final boss (for Ringed City) in DS3. So FromSoft haven't done anything that they haven't done before.

To be honest I'm relieved that Miyazaki didn't place the DLC access at the Scarlet flower or in Placi's arena.

oolacile is only reachable after anor londo because you need to kill the golem in the archive so you at least need the lord vessel.... and ringed city can be accessed with a fire after fride

[duck_dodgers]

Originally posted by Troja:

oolacile is only reachable after anor londo because you need to kill the golem in the archive so you at least need the lord vessel....

You are absolutely right, I completely forgot about Ornstein and Smough :D. I was simply thinking of how to reach the area required to access the DLC and naming the main boss required to reach there.

In terms of comparable boss difficulty (within the same game), DS1 sets a much higher bar of entry than Mogh will ever can.

[ssj grumpig]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

Again, I think you're missing the point(s) and I'm aghast that fextra life and what youtubers say is what you believe to be actual sources of information. They are just communicators; you're putting every bit of the investigative burden on me for something you have not done due diligence validating or confirming yourself. This is how misinformation spreads.

Famitsu interview with Hidetaka Miyazaki, translated by Frontline [www.frontlinejp.net]

There's being rigorous and then there's being contrarian for contrarian's sake, demanding exact sources for something like this is silly when all the communicators are saying the same thing

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by duck_dodgers:

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Mogh is easier than Radabeast, I would guess.
Anyway, I could imagine, that some customers are rather upset, when they first have to beat an mid/endgame boss to access the paid DLC-content.
Simply, because of the attitude "get instantly what you paid for".

I imagine people smashing their head against Mogh, while others already experience the DLC content...

If I remember right, accessing every FromSoft DLC requires beating a certain number of bosses in the base game e.g. all main bosses up to the Iron Golem to reach Oolacile in DS1, up to the Crystal sage (for Ariandel) and all bosses up to the final boss (for Ringed City) in DS3. So FromSoft haven't done anything that they haven't done before.

Actually, you said it yourself: all main bosses. Mohg is not a main boss, but a fully optional one. As such, he's balanced as optional bosses go, not as the mainline bosses which have received nerfs upon nerfs since release.

This is the first time that DLC has been placed behind such a thing, converting an optional boss into a main one. Mohg is getting upgraded.

Also: In DS1, Ornstein and Smough are the actual wall to the DLC(and are major walls for most people who have tried Souls over the past decade). The Golden Fog prevents access to the Duke's Archives, only opened after placing the Lordvessel, received upon their defeat. If doing a Kaathe run for the Red Eye Orb, Four Kings also counts as a prerequisite, since placing the Lordvessel in the other two methods prevents him from appearing.

In DS2, each DLC access point was placed in rooms at the end of mainline routes/after bosses/at Shrine of Winter. Pretty standard, I'd say. I guess it's all optional if you're opening the route via 1m souls method, but at least one DLC is on that route.

In DS3, if you didn't access it by Cathedral of the Deep(very early) you could access it at the very end of the game, in Dreg Heap. This requires either only beating three bosses(Gundyr, Vordt, and Crystal Sage), or all mainline bosses up to Soul of Cinder.

In Bloodborne, Father Gascoigne and Vicar Amelia are the only two prerequisite bosses.

tl;dr Mohg can be fought very early, and is balanced for end-game builds. That doesn't exactly mean DLC access is easy, and not certainly as easy as in some games. DS1 is probably the closest comparison in terms of "difficulty of access" if you ask me, unless you think DS2's bosses were harder... which I guess they are with low ADP stat.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by duck_dodgers:

Originally posted by Troja:

oolacile is only reachable after anor londo because you need to kill the golem in the archive so you at least need the lord vessel....

You are absolutely right, I completely forgot about Ornstein and Smough :D. I was simply thinking of how to reach the area required to access the DLC and naming the main boss required to reach there.

In terms of comparable boss difficulty (within the same game), DS1 sets a much higher bar of entry than Mogh will ever can.

well only if you explored the chruch and killed the invader with the double-blade without the nihil shield the ability is very hard to survive with the 40 vig most people have at that point....

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by ssj grumpig:

There's being rigorous and then there's being contrarian for contrarian's sake, demanding exact sources for something like this is silly when all the communicators are saying the same thing

I don't watch or listen to "all the communicators" and expecting others to is absurd. When making claims about stuff, if no source is given, and all I get is attitude when asking for one, I'm going to doubt the credibility of the information and its communicators even more.

Putting the burden of proof off on the person you're communicating to is yet more absurd. The rhetoric here is baseless and immature; I accept the source you've provided, just without the attitude and "life lesson" you feel this demonstrates.

[duck_dodgers]

Originally posted by pix:

honestly i would rather kill placcid than mohg to get to the dlc

While Placi the boss may be easier than Mohg for some, the amount of bosses one typically beats to get to his area and the other areas they get past makes the journey a massive slog.

It is technically possible to face Mohg without even reaching Altus by using the Pureblood Knight's Medallion. So there is at least a shortcut this way.

[ssj grumpig]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

Originally posted by ssj grumpig:

There's being rigorous and then there's being contrarian for contrarian's sake, demanding exact sources for something like this is silly when all the communicators are saying the same thing

I don't watch or listen to "all the communicators" and expecting others to is absurd. When making claims about stuff, if no source is given, and all I get is attitude when asking for one, I'm going to doubt the credibility of the information and its communicators even more.

Putting the burden of proof off on the person you're communicating to is yet more absurd. The rhetoric here is baseless and immature; I accept the source you've provided, just without the attitude and "life lesson" you feel this demonstrates.

The words you were looking for are "Thank you"

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by duck_dodgers:

Originally posted by pix:

honestly i would rather kill placcid than mohg to get to the dlc

While Placi the boss may be easier than Mohg for some, the amount of bosses one typically beats to get to his area and the other areas they get past makes the journey a massive slog.

It is technically possible to face Mohg without even reaching Altus by using the Pureblood Knight's Medallion. So there is at least a shortcut this way.

well tbh placi is hidden so damn well that if you dont know he is there you will just run right past him. Where as mohg is at the end of his own area thats hidden with 2 seperate entrances so both are very easy to miss especially because the main entrance is in the snowfields at the edge of the map without a real poi near it and some people are deadly afraid of getting invaded.....

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by ssj grumpig:

The words you were looking for are "Thank you"

You get a jester instead. Enjoy the points!

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Any youtuber that covers Miyazaki interviews said it.
"HOW CAN SHADOW OF THE ERDTREE BE ACCESSED?
Both Starscourge Radahn and Mohg, Lord of Blood must be defeated to access the DLC when it is released. Players can then enter the DLC by interacting with the withering arm on the cocoon in Mohg's boss arena."
Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+of+the+Erdtree

Speaking of the source...


Where 50% came from? 40% beat Hourax Loux, which means only as much could beat Elden beast and therefore finish the game.

Again, I think you're missing the point(s) and I'm aghast that fextra life and what youtubers say is what you believe to be actual sources of information. They are just communicators; you're putting every bit of the investigative burden on me for something you have not done due diligence validating or confirming yourself. This is how misinformation spreads.

Stop trying to argue over nothing in a thread about helping people get to the DLC.

So I am missing the points, but you made them first xD You asked for the source, you made false assumptions by looking at the achievements, like what was the point of that?

Couldn't you just say:"Hey, small golden effigy doesn't work for mohgwyn palace summon statue and you have to put the sign there to help the folks out. It will probably get more activity than usual as more players will be trying to access the DLC."?

And tbh players need help elsewhere so they can get ready for that Mohg and for the DLC just in time.

Btw. source is Famitsu magazine from 28th March 2024 where interview was published, if you don't like fextra. It's Japanese magazine, you can maybe still buy it somewhere and translate it yourself.