[Story Spoilers] About children of Radagon and Marika

[joey]

Since Radagon is Marika, and Marika is a god, Radagon is a god too right?
That's the reason why the children of Rennala and Radagon are demigods, since Rennala is just a human, the godly part of Rykard, Ranni and Radahn comes from Radagon.

But if Radagon and Marika are both gods, are Malenia and Miquella really "Demigods"? Wouldn't they really just be full on gods?

If Radagon is "Marikas human form" then Rykard, Ranni and Radahn wouldn't be Demigods at all and just normal humans.

[Key]

They're still demigods, in ER demigod is a title, not necessarily divinity, it refers to the offspring of an Elden Lord and his Consort. It's essencially Godhood's version of prince/princess.

When you think about it, nobody except the player and Goldmask know that Radagon is a god, and should therefore assume that his and Rennala's children are just humans, yet everyone still refers to them as Demigods.

Radahn's Great Rune:
"Radahn was amongst the children of Rennala and Radagon, who became demigod stepchildren after Radagon's union with Queen Marika."

[joey]

Originally posted by Key:

They're still demigods, in ER demigod is a title, not necessarily divinity

So you are saying that Radahn, Rykard and Ranni aren't divine, but only adopt the title of demigod? And that therefor Radagon is the human form of Marika?

[Key]

Originally posted by joey:

Originally posted by Key:

They're still demigods, in ER demigod is a title, not necessarily divinity

So you are saying that Radahn, Rykard and Ranni aren't divine, but only adopt the title of demigod? And that therefor Radagon is the human form of Marika?

No, Radagon is Marika, they're both sides of the same divine being, they're one and the same. Rykard Radahn and Ranni are demigod by birth as they are Radagon's children.

I'm saying the general population of the lands between doesn't know Radagon is Marika, they just think of Radagon as a Champion. However, they still refer to Rykard, Ranni and Radahn as Demigods, because in their eyes Radagon later Married Marika, which makes her the stepmother of Rykard, Ranni and Radahn.

TL;DR: Rennala's children are half gods by birth. The term Demigod just means you're part of Marika's family, even if the relation is that of stepchild.

[joey]

Originally posted by Key:

Originally posted by joey:

So you are saying that Radahn, Rykard and Ranni aren't divine, but only adopt the title of demigod? And that therefor Radagon is the human form of Marika?

No, Radagon is Marika, they're both sides of the same divine being, they're one and the same. Rykard Radahn and Ranni are demigod by birth as they are Radagon's children.

I'm saying the general population of the lands between doesn't know Radagon is Marika, they just think of Radagon as a Champion. However, they still refer to Rykard, Ranni and Radahn as Demigods, because in their eyes Radagon later Married Marika, which makes her the stepmother of Rykard, Ranni and Radahn.

TL;DR: Rennala's children are half gods by birth. The term Demigod just means you're part of Marika's family, even if the relation is that of stepchild.

Okay, I already concluded in the OP that Rykard, Ranni and Radahn are Demigods, the questions I proposed was if Malenia and Miquella aren't full on gods if they are the children of 2 gods. I assumed by pointing out "demigod" being only a title, you meant radagon is the human form of marika (kind of like with jesus and god in christianity) and therefor malenia and miquella are proper demigods, whereas the rennala children are "demigods in title".
If you agree that radagon is also divine, then my point still stands about malenia and miquella. There is no "demi-" if they are born solely from gods. There is no human, or other, influence apart from a godly one. I understand why they are called demigods in game, because everyone thinks radagon is a human, but we as players know radagon is a god, and therefor my question was if in actuality malenia and miquella are not demigods but just straight up gods.

[Key]

Originally posted by joey:

Originally posted by Key:

No, Radagon is Marika, they're both sides of the same divine being, they're one and the same. Rykard Radahn and Ranni are demigod by birth as they are Radagon's children.

I'm saying the general population of the lands between doesn't know Radagon is Marika, they just think of Radagon as a Champion. However, they still refer to Rykard, Ranni and Radahn as Demigods, because in their eyes Radagon later Married Marika, which makes her the stepmother of Rykard, Ranni and Radahn.

TL;DR: Rennala's children are half gods by birth. The term Demigod just means you're part of Marika's family, even if the relation is that of stepchild.

Okay, I already concluded in the OP that Rykard, Ranni and Radahn are Demigods, the questions I proposed was if Malenia and Miquella aren't full on gods if they are the children of 2 gods. I assumed by pointing out "demigod" being only a title, you meant radagon is the human form of marika (kind of like with jesus and god in christianity) and therefor malenia and miquella are proper demigods, whereas the rennala children are "demigods in title".
If you agree that radagon is also divine, then my point still stands about malenia and miquella. There is no "demi-" if they are born solely from gods. There is no human, or other, influence apart from a godly one. I understand why they are called demigods in game, because everyone thinks radagon is a human, but we as players know radagon is a god, and therefor my question was if in actuality, despite that they are called demigods by the populace that doesnt know about radagon, malenia and miquella are not demigods but just straight up gods.

Ah I see you're missing some lore.

The way it works is that "Godhood" means that you've been choosen by the Greater Will to be the custodian of the Elden Ring, which controls the order of the world. To put it simply, godhood isn't intrinsic, it's a role given by an "actual" Outer God, in this case, the Greater Will. It's implied at various points that there are others, but that's another story.

That god/goddess will then choose an Elden Lord to marry and have offsprings, called demigods. Then among those offsprings, the Greater Will picks "Empyreans", those who are deemed worthy to become the next god/goddess and take Marika's place for the next generation.

From what we can gather from the game Rykard, Radahn, Godwyn, Morgott and Mohg are demigods, while Malenia, Miquella, Melina and Ranni are demigods and Empyreans.

This is the reason as to why if you pick Ranni's ending, she takes Marika's place and changes the Golden order into her own new Order of the Moon/Stars. She becomes the new Goddess.

Now, since all three (again assuming Melina is R+M) of Marika/Radagon's offsprings are chosen as Empyreans, it's not a long shot to make the assumption that they're considered suitable because they're worthy by birthright, by being effectively born of the Goddess that was already chosen. That said, it's worth noting that all three of R*M's children are cursed in some way, which may mean that having offspring with yourself isn't exactly kosher and the Greater Will isn't particularly happy about it.

Keep in mind, these are conclusions of the community based on the findings from item descriptions/dialogue and stuff, nothing is set in stone as this sh*t is super vague by design and even Miyazaki likely has no idea what's actually going on.

Edit: Also fun fact, since Radagon is Marika, Rennala is technically the second Elden Lord, Radagon is the third, and you're the Fourth.