Did they buff the Knights of the Great-Jar

[joey]

Last time I played this game was on release, and I don't remember the NPC duelists of the great-jar challenge having that much HP. I'm doing tiny chip damage to them, while they kill me in 2 hits.

[Typheus]

If you're connected to the net, you're fighting previous people's characters as invader NPCs that have beaten those fights.

So what you're fighting are people who overspecced to beat super high HP enemies with high damage moves.

And once they become Great Jar knights, they get that same massive HP buff and still keep their broken builds.

This means the next person to beat them has to have an even MORE broken build, and the cycle continues.

My advice is to just go offline and fight the generic base NPC knights. They're still tough, but not broken beyond believe.

If that's still too much of a pain, look up a video on how to trick them into falling off the cliff.

[joey]

Originally posted by Typheus:

If you're connected to the net, you're fighting previous people's characters as invader NPCs that have beaten those fights.

Yes, I knew about that, I beat them without any tricks on release. I always assumed the duelists you get are based on players who are the closest to your level. You know, when a lvl20 defeats them, their character gets used when another lvl20 challenges the great jar, but not when a lvl10 challenges them. But I'm assuming based on what your saying that it'll give a lvl20 duelists to a lvl10 challenger, which seems pretty broken.

[LuckyCheshire]

There are also a few different attacks and spells that the AI has no clue how to respond to, which can make the fights extremely easy. I usually use Piercing Fang.

[Ashenran]

Originally posted by Typheus:

If you're connected to the net, you're fighting previous people's characters as invader NPCs that have beaten those fights.

So what you're fighting are people who overspecced to beat super high HP enemies with high damage moves.

And once they become Great Jar knights, they get that same massive HP buff and still keep their broken builds.

This means the next person to beat them has to have an even MORE broken build, and the cycle continues.

My advice is to just go offline and fight the generic base NPC knights. They're still tough, but not broken beyond believe.

If that's still too much of a pain, look up a video on how to trick them into falling off the cliff.

False. Everyone make them fall from the cliff.

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Ashenran:

False. Everyone make them fall from the cliff.

I've never bothered to do that... there are easier and more fun ways to cheese the fights.

[Key]

Here's how to beat any NPC in this game. Read at your own peril, because it will ruin npc invasions/duels forever, as once you know, to have a normal fight you will have to consciously avoid doing this.

They have exploitable patterns of actions, they all have the same AI and do the same things. Do not engage them. You can just play completely passive and focus on avoiding weapon arts and spells.

The moment they start to run directly at you they will try to do a running attack and won't input-dodge your attacks. Simply attack twice if you have a fast weapon or once with a slow wapon whenever you see them do it, then roll back, be defensive and wait for them to do it again, rinse and repeat. They have no answer for it.

[Codester]

Originally posted by Ashenran:

Originally posted by Typheus:

If you're connected to the net, you're fighting previous people's characters as invader NPCs that have beaten those fights.

So what you're fighting are people who overspecced to beat super high HP enemies with high damage moves.

And once they become Great Jar knights, they get that same massive HP buff and still keep their broken builds.

This means the next person to beat them has to have an even MORE broken build, and the cycle continues.

My advice is to just go offline and fight the generic base NPC knights. They're still tough, but not broken beyond believe.

If that's still too much of a pain, look up a video on how to trick them into falling off the cliff.

False. Everyone make them fall from the cliff.

I just beat them like a normal person. Because I don't have a skill issue.

[CourtesyFlush09]

1. Lure them to the edge of the cliff (where the large branch is protruding).

2. Get behind them (by rolling through their attack, for example).

3. Hit them, which will cause them to stagger back a little, and they'll fall to their deaths.

4. ???

5. Prophet

[CazadorDeLobo]

I used Flaming Strike and some R2s with the Pickaxe. It was actually quite easy.