Is there any build that uses Confessor to minmax?

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Like its understandable that wretch isnt used but confessor is so miss leading for new players
And if you go confessor your build can't be min maxed.
9 int and 9 arcane????
it makes no sense.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

PvP or PvE?

You don't have to do a Faith-based build if you don't want to. You could easily go into into Strength or Dexterity, or both. You also need both stats to hit a lot of requirements for the meta, so I fail to see how it's a wasted stat spread.

For example, in a PvP context you could be cringe and use dual Cross-Naginata. That requires 16 Strength and 20 Dexterity.

Bloodhound's Fang is one of the best PvE weapons, and it requires 18 Strength and 16 Dexterity. The AoW, hyper armor, and you don't get punished for spamming it due its iframes.

Almost every build wants a little bit of Faith in order to use buffs like Flame, Grant me Strength. Ideally you'll have enough faith to give you even more buffs. It's useful in both PvE and PvP.

This is wrong?
if you go into str and dex without going into dex you're losing like 5 levels or more over vagabond or samurai lol

you dont need flame grant me strenght
it only lasts 30 seconds there are litraelly better items to use then that spell.

[psilocybe]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

PvP or PvE?
Ideally you'll have enough faith to give you even more buffs. It's useful in both PvE and PvP.

I just wish everything with the resource management in Elden Ring was more like resource management, and less like a chore list of sh*t to cast, until you get to play for like 30 seconds.

[Mewsha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von R for Reload:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

PvP or PvE?

You don't have to do a Faith-based build if you don't want to. You could easily go into into Strength or Dexterity, or both. You also need both stats to hit a lot of requirements for the meta, so I fail to see how it's a wasted stat spread.

For example, in a PvP context you could be cringe and use dual Cross-Naginata. That requires 16 Strength and 20 Dexterity.

Bloodhound's Fang is one of the best PvE weapons, and it requires 18 Strength and 16 Dexterity. The AoW, hyper armor, and you don't get punished for spamming it due its iframes.

Almost every build wants a little bit of Faith in order to use buffs like Flame, Grant me Strength. Ideally you'll have enough faith to give you even more buffs. It's useful in both PvE and PvP.

This is wrong?
if you go into str and dex without going into dex you're losing like 5 levels or more over vagabond or samurai lol

You didn't read what I said completely I see. I also don't know what you mean by, "if you go into str and dex without going in to dex," like what?

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

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This is wrong?
if you go into str and dex without going into dex you're losing like 5 levels or more over vagabond or samurai lol

You didn't read what I said completely I see. I also don't know what you mean by, "if you go into str and dex without going in to dex," like what?

oh I meant without faith
Flame grant me strenght is bad.
It lasts way too short.

[Mewsha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von R for Reload:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

You didn't read what I said completely I see. I also don't know what you mean by, "if you go into str and dex without going in to dex," like what?

oh I meant without faith
Flame grant me strenght is bad.
It lasts way too short.

Hardly. It only requires 15 Faith for the following.

- Physical Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Fire Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Stamina Recovery Speed +5/s (11.1%)

If anything that's pretty absurd for such a low investment.

Not to mention it's a body buff that you can stack with Golden Vow upon further Faith investment. I don't really know why you'd need much longer than 30 seconds. The fight should be mostly over by the time the duration ends if you're truly going for what's best.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

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oh I meant without faith
Flame grant me strenght is bad.
It lasts way too short.

Hardly. It only requires 15 Faith for the following.

- Physical Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Fire Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Stamina Recovery Speed +5/s (11.1%)

If anything that's pretty absurd for such a low investment.

Not to mention it's a body buff that you can stack with Golden Vow upon further Faith investment. I don't really know why you'd need much longer than 30 seconds. The fight should be mostly over by the time the duration ends if you're truly going for what's best.

for 30 seconds
Its borederline a very short time.
its not good.

[WagonWheelWatusi]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von R for Reload:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mewsha:

Hardly. It only requires 15 Faith for the following.

- Physical Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Fire Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Stamina Recovery Speed +5/s (11.1%)

If anything that's pretty absurd for such a low investment.

Not to mention it's a body buff that you can stack with Golden Vow upon further Faith investment. I don't really know why you'd need much longer than 30 seconds. The fight should be mostly over by the time the duration ends if you're truly going for what's best.

for 30 seconds
Its borederline a very short time.
its not good.

It's a great buff.
If your'e taking longer than 30 seconds to kill something or at least halfway kill something than your'e doing something wrong.

[Mewsha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von R for Reload:

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Hardly. It only requires 15 Faith for the following.

- Physical Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Fire Damage +20% (15% in PvP)
- Stamina Recovery Speed +5/s (11.1%)

If anything that's pretty absurd for such a low investment.

Not to mention it's a body buff that you can stack with Golden Vow upon further Faith investment. I don't really know why you'd need much longer than 30 seconds. The fight should be mostly over by the time the duration ends if you're truly going for what's best.

for 30 seconds
Its borederline a very short time.
its not good.

I'm out of jester awards atm.

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for 30 seconds
Its borederline a very short time.
its not good.

It's a great buff.
If your'e taking longer than 30 seconds to kill something or at least halfway kill something than your'e doing something wrong.

bosses are the only time you would use the buff and it still runs out before killing.
If you need it for anything else
that's literally a skill issue.

pvp matches almost always last longer then 30 seconds.
And if you're 1vXing its way worse then black flame protection
Or crab

[darinbob]

Any class can get the same stats as any other. It just takes a trivial amount of time for some classes to catch up. Now if you have a hard level cap that you can't cross for some reason, then it might make a difference. But for the vast majority of players, the significant difference is with starting equipment and play style in early game.

[WagonWheelWatusi]

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von SimonVirusIII:

It's a great buff.
If your'e taking longer than 30 seconds to kill something or at least halfway kill something than your'e doing something wrong.

bosses are the only time you would use the buff and it still runs out before killing.
If you need it for anything else
that's literally a skill issue.

pvp matches almost always last longer then 30 seconds.
And if you're 1vXing its way worse then black flame protection
Or crab

Bosses are literally the only reason why you would be buffing in the first place you numb skull. Also who cares if it runs out before killing the boss. The positives of using it outweighs the negatives. Also the cast time is quick so if you can't figure out a way to recast it mid fight than that's definitely a skill issue.

Secondly while yes PvP matches (specifically duels) may last longer than 30 seconds the amount of potential damage you could do in that 30 seconds with the buff activated could very well be the determining factor in whether you win or not.

You have no idea what your'e talking about.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von SimonVirusIII:

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bosses are the only time you would use the buff and it still runs out before killing.
If you need it for anything else
that's literally a skill issue.

pvp matches almost always last longer then 30 seconds.
And if you're 1vXing its way worse then black flame protection
Or crab

Bosses are literally the only reason why you would be buffing in the first place you numb skull. Also who cares if it runs out before killing the boss. The positives of using it outweighs the negatives. Also the cast time is quick so if you can't figure out a way to recast it mid fight than that's definitely a skill issue.

Secondly while yes PvP matches (specifically duels) may last longer than 30 seconds the amount of potential damage you could do in that 30 seconds with the buff activated could very well be the determining factor in whether you win or not.

You have no idea what your'e talking about.

You do not get to rebuff in pvp fights.
you aren't going to win using flame grant me strenght
no one uses it .
you get more value out of any defence buff.
Black flame protection lasts longer and gives 35% resistence to physical.
boiled crab gives 20% and lasts double as long.
15% to two different damage types is less effective then 20%
Because the flat damage reduction for levels.

Max use for flame give me strenght you need to use a weapon with physical and fire damage and have to be a build that actaully has a decent amount of both the stat that gives you fire and the stat that gives you str
Which counter acts the point of just getting flame grant me strength if you go over the min faith just for more damage for most weapons.

Not only that but fire negation is higher for elemental then other.
It's easier to get fire protection then holy or lightning.

Flame grant me strength is bad.

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crab

This one knows.

You listen to this genius, they will help you to learn.

[WagonWheelWatusi]

Flame grant me strength is bad...

Cool story bro...
I can't argue with stupid anymore. I'm out.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von SimonVirusIII:

Flame grant me strength is bad...

Cool story bro...
I can't argue with stupid anymore. I'm out.

Sorry for giving you and compelling argument you couldn't reply to