Is there any build that uses Confessor to minmax?

[R for Reload]

Like its understandable that wretch isnt used but confessor is so miss leading for new players
And if you go confessor your build can't be min maxed.
9 int and 9 arcane????
it makes no sense.

[Amins]

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Originally posted by Detective Costeau:

I genuinely do not get why you would care about minmaxing a build to this degree. 1 RL 'wasted' is not going to make any significant difference to any build I can think of.

wrong

Min/Maxing is a skill issue. If 1 RL is going to make or break whether you beat the game or not, you have a whole lot more issues to deal with.

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Like its understandable that wretch isnt used but confessor is so miss leading for new players
And if you go confessor your build can't be min maxed.
9 int and 9 arcane????
it makes no sense.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you complain a lot. Like, a lot.

[BenzoSt]

Min-maxing only really is important for PVP due to the pairing system. Also, that Mugenmonkey link proves I was wrong because evidently Confessor isn't #1 for Sword of Night and Flame Builds - it's tied with Astrologer for that.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by BenzoSt:

For the purposes of a specialized Sword of Night and Flame build:

Prophet wastes 3 points relative to Vagabond (Arcane 10 versus of 7).

Confessor wastes 2 points relative to Vagabond (Arcane 9 versus 7).

Vagabond wastes 3 points relative to Confessor (Str 14, Dex 13 versus Str 12, Dex 12).

Prophet is deficient 3 points relative to Confessor (needs +1 Str, +2 Dex).

Thus Confessor is the best choice for Sword of Night and Flame, but only by a margin of 1 point, so it's very minor. Hence, Confessor is almost entirely inferior class relative to Vagabond, yet I insist that the niche dedicated Sword of Night and Flame build is the only in which Confessor is the best pick.

I don't think
you did any maths
lets make pvp builds that just focus on the weapon with a 24 across the board stat spread
Confessor 120: https://i.gyazo.com/e71d538284dc9d2d055eb57a9e59bd51.png
vegabond 115: https://i.gyazo.com/176a91351487117f7a1d646d8e012135.png
Even if you wanted to put more points into mind
you get more from vegabond

Confessor is not the best choice for sword of night and flame
Those stats aren't wasted on vegabond because you still get scaling off of them even for min requiremenets its still better to go vegabond over confessor due to vegabonds lower arcane.

Plus if you factor in mind it doesnt matter if you use confessor or vagabond because you can only use the start of night and flame 3 times each.
But confessor can follow up one and use it once while the vagabond can't

Not only that but if you start as vagabond you can relevel into minmax builds
While with confessor you cannot.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by surreptitious:

Start as Wretch ... Always.

every class has 80 points at lvl 0

(total points allocated - character level = 79)

The most logical is wretch as you can customise from the start.
Its impractical to have any stat be under 10 so you will end up allocating to them anyway.

it's just what gear do you want to start with .....
do you want to start with a Great Knife .... or farm one.....

apply that formula to every character ... the real focus is only which start under 10 ..... but still ... just play a wretch start with the lands rune .... you will have 3000 runes to start... walk to vendor on beach buy a broadsword.... game on.

Wretch is literally only for max builds
You have way too much of either int faith or arcane.
No class uses all 3 of those and even if they did its still not better then other classes that would start with lower str or dex.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

how is it misleading for new players? New players won't min max. Also it doesn't really matter if you're level 150 or 160 in the end.

it does. Confessor is awful for levels.
meaning you're gonna be alot less effective at your level compared to a normal build.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by BenzoSt:

Min-maxing only really is important for PVP due to the pairing system. Also, that Mugenmonkey link proves I was wrong because evidently Confessor isn't #1 for Sword of Night and Flame Builds - it's tied with Astrologer for that.

and astrologer can reskill into more useful builds compared to confessor.
Confessor really shouldn't exist.

Take DS1 every single starting character is useful for some build over another besides deprived which is the same as wretch which it isn't meant to be useful.

Then again that's only if you're doing wack builds though but atleast it has some use while confessor does not.

[AstinDextor]

Confessor is for min/maxxing your Fashion Souls game. Confessor has hands down the best looking starting outfit. Swordsman is second.

[causality]

Minmaxing isn't even important for pvp and never was.

[psilocybe]

Originally posted by causality:

Minmaxing isn't even important for pvp and never was.

No. Because, you can't proc bleed, or scarlet rot, or ever poison if you haven't minmaxed until you're gd sl300+, applesh*t.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by causality:

Minmaxing isn't even important for pvp and never was.

awful take.
Literally insane.

[causality]

>10 total hours DS3
You might have min max'd the game a little too hard I think.

[WagonWheelWatusi]

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Like its understandable that wretch isnt used but confessor is so miss leading for new players
And if you go confessor your build can't be min maxed.
9 int and 9 arcane????
it makes no sense.

Still complaining I see...

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by causality:

>10 total hours DS3
You might have min max'd the game a little too hard I think. :cuphead:

I played ds3 on ps4
much like I played ds1 and 2 on xbox360

I love how you guys keep using this strawman lol

[Mewsha]

PvP or PvE?

You don't have to do a Faith-based build if you don't want to. You could easily go into into Strength or Dexterity, or both. You also need both stats to hit a lot of requirements for the meta, so I fail to see how it's a wasted stat spread.

For example, in a PvP context you could be cringe and use dual Cross-Naginata. That requires 16 Strength and 20 Dexterity.

Bloodhound's Fang is one of the best PvE weapons, and it requires 18 Strength and 16 Dexterity. The AoW, hyper armor, and you don't get punished for spamming it due its iframes.

Almost every build wants a little bit of Faith in order to use buffs like Flame, Grant me Strength. Ideally you'll have enough faith to give you even more buffs. It's useful in both PvE and PvP.