Moonveil vs magic infused Rapier with Carian Grandeur?

[Velovar]

Which one would do more damage with special attack for int builds?
So far Carian Granderu on int Rapier does crazy damage.
Any pro-bro here to test this out?

[DayLight1943]

i cant test with you right now, but another thing to consider is speed and hitbox size/shape, both of which moonveil wins at by quite alot. the vertical beam has significant range, and the horizontal beam can hit multiple enemies that grandeur would miss. both attacks are also significantly faster than grandeur which means you can deal damage with moonveil at times you wouldnt be able to with grandeur.

however id guess grandeur can get more damage simply because you can charge it, which means you can use additional buffs to increase the damage that dont apply to moonveil, while iirc all buffs you can use on moonveil are equally applicable to grandeur.

[Velovar]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

i cant test with you right now, but another thing to consider is speed and hitbox size/shape, both of which moonveil wins at by quite alot. the vertical beam has significant range, and the horizontal beam can hit multiple enemies that grandeur would miss. both attacks are also significantly faster than grandeur which means you can deal damage with moonveil at times you wouldnt be able to with grandeur.

however id guess grandeur can get more damage simply because you can charge it, which means you can use additional buffs to increase the damage that dont apply to moonveil, while iirc all buffs you can use on moonveil are equally applicable to grandeur.

I see so Moonveil for mobs and Grandeur for bosses.

I am also interested in one tricky question:

Which one does more damage when magic infused with Grandeur - Rapier or Moonveil?

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Velovar:

Which one does more damage when magic infused with Grandeur - Rapier or Moonveil?

Moonveil can't be infused.

[Velovar]

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire777:

Originally posted by Velovar:

Which one does more damage when magic infused with Grandeur - Rapier or Moonveil?

Moonveil can't be infused.

Thank you very much!
These were all of my questions and your answers people were a-m-a-z-i-n-g!

[Sephylon]

We talking in 1 hit or in multiple? Moonveil has better sustained dps, where as craian grand has better burst, to the point of potentially 1shotting bosses with the right setup.

This is assuming you hit with grandeur, the skill has a long windup and requires you to stand still, which can put you in very bad situations, a drawback that tansient doesn't have.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Moonveils special attack comes out way faster and thus can be used in more situations and is a great tool in itself to safely stance break enemies.

Carian grandeur takes a moment to charge which means its only good when you have stance broken enemies or to kind of stunlock humanoid enemies by only charging one time which always throws them to the ground and then charging fully when they are about to get back up. Rinse repeat.

The thing with grandeur though is it can be buffed a bit more since it is a charged skill so you can not only use shard of alexander/warrior shard but also godfrey icon which adds another 15% damage.

I personally prefer carian grandeur because I´m not that much of a katana fan but when it comes to overall useability I would say moonveil is better and can be used more often because it comes out so fast. Grandeur can´t be used that often but boy is it insane when you get an opportunity to use it and it looks awesome.

One good way to stance break enemies besides using rock sling is by using glintblade phalanx which you get with rogiers rapier. Put it on a dagger and cast it 1-3 times depending on how much the enemy needs to be stance broken and then quickly switch back to your weapon with carian grandeur and position in a way that you also hit the head, fully charge it and drop that nuke. Always hilarious and so satisfying to see those insane damage numbers it generates and it often times outright oneshots the enemy.