ELDEN RING

ELDEN RING

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noisyturtle 4 MAR 2024 a las 11:33
Frenzied Flame is the true ending of Elden Ring
It really seems to be the way the game was meant to end. It makes the most sense for the mc's journey, the history, and the timeline. All the other endings seem tacked on, or like fan service. Thoughts?
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Jowain 4 MAR 2024 a las 15:05 
What is and isn't the true ending of Elden Ring is up to the player, it's why you get to have choices. A "True Ending" is only applicable if there are narratives that follow after the main story, While it's hinted at by Melina that she will "find you", I don't think there's likely to be a sequel or a post game DLC.

For me the ending I prefer is the Age of Stars, because it neatly follows the Japanese story philosophy of man fighting divinity for the ownership of their destiny, which is what Ranni wants ultimately.
Almost all of FromSofts games since Demon's Souls has been about a world trapped in a state of deathlessness and becoming stagnant and weary because of it.

Marika is in a sense the real villain of the story; she did whatever she could to maintain her Golden Age, like Gwyn of Dark Souls. She made war on those that threatened the Erdtree, she decieved her enemies by taking on different guises, she all but broke Rennala with her Radagon form (SPOILERS OH NO, two years everyone...) and ultimately she took death itself away from the world, not save anyone she cared about you... except for the Erdtree, because it seems the bodies the Living Jars carry around are specifically to feed the Erdtree, which we see in the various Minor Erdtree catacombs, roots digging deep into the ground and devouring the dead, because they have no where else to go.
The Golden Age was an age of Stagnanation and Ranni choose to break it, yes her actions caused the Shattering, strife and war but... the phrase "for the greater good" does apply here, what good is greater than humanity driving the hand of the gods away from their destiny?

The Frenzied Flame ending is the SMTIII: Nocturne True Demon ending of Elden Ring, it's the nihilist "I give up, this is too hard, this is a mistake, to live is a sin, why has life wronged me with suffering? Burn, burn, burn, may Chaos take the world!"
Ironically followers of the Frenzied Flame are just pawns to yet another divine being, one that wants to end everything that lives and breathes under the pretense that "you've suffered enough, lay down your arms... and die a true death."

At least Rannis Moon God seems the less interested in ruling mans fate and is willing to let the Lands Between govern itself.

Shadow of the Erdtree is a very fitting title for the coming DLC, the Erdtree in game is a giant of golden luminous light and cannot cast a shadow and yet since crowing of Queen Marika the Lands Between have always been in the Shadow of the Erdtree.

But that's just me, again you pick whatever ending you like the best :er_heart:
Última edición por Jowain; 4 MAR 2024 a las 15:07
surreptitious 4 MAR 2024 a las 15:19 
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The frenzied flame ending isn't the only way that the world could start over, though.
Goldmasks ending and Fia's ending are the only ones that are almost guaranteed to be good, the rest we just have to assume and hope that they mean what we think they mean.
This. Literally every ending is us re-shaping the world. Some look kinda like it did under Marika, some make some big changes. But Dung Eater and Frenzied Flame endings are "make things worse because something something reasons" and neither of them make an sense from an actual decision making stand point.

Melena is immune to fire for a reason you see.
She is the seed.
She kills the Frenzied Lord , and starts the next Elden Tree, it sprouts from her :)

She is the Elden Ring and starts the next iteration of the Lands Between.
The tattoo on her eye is her Rune and will be the centre of her Ring.
You are not Merika's lord, you are her's, she chose the destroyer of the world she will rebuild, and who she will destroy.


She like a pine cone.

During the blaze, pine cone spines act as a fire-resistant shell to protect seeds. The heat dries out the shell, causing the spines to open easily after a burn, allowing for better dispersal. Serotinous cone species, such as the Jack Pine, will only release their seeds after a fire, rather than at maturation.

The cheque is in the mail right Miyazaki
Última edición por surreptitious; 4 MAR 2024 a las 15:35
DragonSoundxSG 4 MAR 2024 a las 15:21 
Agreed. It's beautifully haunting.
echo_ML 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:17 
After thinking about it some more, the frenzied flame is truly awful. Just by looking at the merchants trapped beneath the capital, and villagers in liurnia, vyke, hyetta, etc... you can see that even if the world somehow survives the lord of frenzy ending, all thought and sanity will be devoured.

That being said, its still very difficult to get an unbiased perspective on the Frenzied Flame. Everyone who we speak to about it is either directly for or against it. So, from what we can gather ingame, the lord of frenzy ending offers one of two things:

1: All life, thought, and existence is destroyed, returning the world to universal nothingness

2: The world is engulfed in the madness flame, with eternal suffering for the people afflicted.

Either way, neither option seems too great. There are much better endings to choose from.

Edit: after reading Melina's dialogue, theres several that stick out to me.

"It is chaos, devouring life and thought unending" (referring to frenzied flame)

"life endures. Births continue. There is beauty in that, is there not? If you would become Lord, do not deny this notion."

"As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless."

From Melina's dialogue, it seems more likely that the frenzied flame destroys all life. However, this could also mean you're destroying peoples ability to live, not be alive.
Última edición por echo_ML; 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:27
SunfireKnight86 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:32 
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After thinking about it some more, the frenzied flame is truly awful. Just by looking at the merchants trapped beneath the capital, and villagers in liurnia, vyke, hyetta, etc... you can see that even if the world somehow survives the lord of frenzy ending, all thought and sanity will be devoured.

That being said, its still very difficult to get an unbiased perspective on the Frenzied Flame. Everyone who we speak to about it is either directly for or against it. So, from what we can gather ingame, the lord of frenzy ending offers one of two things:

1: All life, thought, and existence is destroyed, returning the world to universal nothingness

2: The world is engulfed in the madness flame, with eternal suffering for the people afflicted.

Either way, neither option seems too great. There are much better endings to choose from.

Edit: after reading Melina's dialogue, theres several that stick out to me.

"It is chaos, devouring life and thought unending" (referring to frenzied flame)

"life endures. Births continue. There is beauty in that, is there not? If you would become Lord, do not deny this notion."

"As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless."

From Melina's dialogue, it seems more likely that the frenzied flame destroys all life. However, this could also mean you're destroying peoples ability to live, not be alive.
That one dude said "Melina is lying" with zero evidence when I pointed out the same. You're wasting your breath.
echo_ML 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:37 
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Let's not forget this little tiny line right here that can TOTALLY be interpreted as anything other than the end of the world. /s

"I ask you, one more time. Please, seek not the Frenzied Flame. As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all. When the land they preside over is lifeless."
It's called lying. Are you familiar?
edit: and that's not to say that it's willful. Melina may have been misinformed.
I don't think Melina is lying, deliberate or not, but its definitely not out of the question.

Even still, there are plenty of people who can tell us how bad the flame is, and we can even see it for ourselves, the effect is has on people.
mpcgannon 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:44 
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It's called lying. Are you familiar?
edit: and that's not to say that it's willful. Melina may have been misinformed.
I don't think Melina is lying, deliberate or not, but its definitely not out of the question.

Even still, there are plenty of people who can tell us how bad the flame is, and we can even see it for ourselves, the effect is has on people.
My perspective is this
The Golden Order is Christianity and they have gone on "witch hunts." Anything against the church is "evil." So anyone who blindly follows or supports the order, has an agenda. What is more threatening than a reset button that undoes not ONLY Marika's Golden Order ( Erdtree ) but the Elden Ring itself ( outer god ).
Is it "bad".
Yes.
♥♥♥♥ you all. Burn
echo_ML 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:49 
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I don't think Melina is lying, deliberate or not, but its definitely not out of the question.

Even still, there are plenty of people who can tell us how bad the flame is, and we can even see it for ourselves, the effect is has on people.
My perspective is this
The Golden Order is Christianity and they have gone on "witch hunts." Anything against the church is "evil." So anyone who blindly follows or supports the order, has an agenda. What is more threatening than a reset button that undoes not ONLY Marika's Golden Order ( Erdtree ) but the Elden Ring itself ( outer god ).
Is it "bad".
Yes.
♥♥♥♥ you all. Burn

From what we can gather in game, I don't think Marika and Melina serve the golden order, at least not blindly.

The entire reason Marika shattered the elden ring was to get rid of the golden order and the greater will, and Melina likely serves her in that aspect, guiding us to the elden ring and becoming a lord of a new age.

But yes, i do agree with you that the golden order and it's followers are awful along with their witch hunts. They sealed the innocent merchants beneath the capital just because they thought they might be serving the frenzied flame. Overall i think anything but the Dung Eater ending, frenzy flame ending, and elden lord ending is a good ending, or at least better than what there is now.

Edit: i really wish Kale's questline didn't get cut. It adds so much more depth to this storyline.
Última edición por echo_ML; 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:53
mpcgannon 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:53 
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My perspective is this
The Golden Order is Christianity and they have gone on "witch hunts." Anything against the church is "evil." So anyone who blindly follows or supports the order, has an agenda. What is more threatening than a reset button that undoes not ONLY Marika's Golden Order ( Erdtree ) but the Elden Ring itself ( outer god ).
Is it "bad".
Yes.
♥♥♥♥ you all. Burn

From what we can gather in game, I don't think Marika and Melina serve the golden order, at least not blindly.

The entire reason Marika shattered the elden ring was to get rid of the golden order and the greater will, and Melina likely serves her in that aspect, guiding us to the elden ring and becoming a lord of a new age.

But yes, i do agree with you that the golden order and it's followers are awful along with their witch hunts. They sealed the innocent merchants beneath the capital just because they thought they might be serving the frenzied flame. Overall i think anything but the Dung Eater ending, frenzy flame ending, and elden lord ending is a good ending, or at least better than what there is now.
I think this is similar to Dark Souls where we have the never ending cycle going on for too long.
I've mentioned before, I let the Tarnished Archeologist do lore thinking for me.
mpcgannon 5 MAR 2024 a las 6:57 
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It's literally the end of the universe.
And my point stands: How can the universe be OVER when Melina is standing with a purple eye promising us destined death.
cAn'T tElL tHiS gUy AnYtHiNg
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echo_ML 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:04 
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It's literally the end of the universe.
And my point stands: How can the universe be OVER when Melina is standing with a purple eye promising us destined death.
cAn'T tElL tHiS gUy AnYtHiNg
That is a really good point. Either the universe hasn't fully burned yet, or its the secondary option i mentioned in a previous post, where life itself is not destroyed, but peoples ability to live is. I'm leaning more towards the second option.

Edit: Also, since we don't mend the Elden Ring in the frenzy ending, presumably death is still broken, so no one can die, therefore the universe can't entirely end.
Última edición por echo_ML; 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:05
mpcgannon 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:08 
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And my point stands: How can the universe be OVER when Melina is standing with a purple eye promising us destined death.
cAn'T tElL tHiS gUy AnYtHiNg
That is a really good point. Either the universe hasn't fully burned yet, or its the secondary option i mentioned in a previous post, where life itself is not destroyed, but peoples ability to live is. I'm leaning more towards the second option.
What is destined death? Melina can be a spirit fine, but if everything else is dead what is Melina taking about? Why are we the ONLY ones alive? Again, FS and Michael Zaki making things vague and unclear. At least we have people here with all the answers.
echo_ML 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:12 
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That is a really good point. Either the universe hasn't fully burned yet, or its the secondary option i mentioned in a previous post, where life itself is not destroyed, but peoples ability to live is. I'm leaning more towards the second option.
What is destined death? Melina can be a spirit fine, but if everything else is dead what is Melina taking about? Why are we the ONLY ones alive? Again, FS and Michael Zaki making things vague and unclear. At least we have people here with all the answers.
I wasn't saying everyone else was dead, i was saying no one is dead, but they don't get to live because their thoughts and sanity are destroyed by the flame.

Im sorry if I'm coming across as some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ know-it-all, I'm not trying to do that. I wanna have an actual discussion about the lore, because i find it very interesting :)
Última edición por echo_ML; 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:17
mpcgannon 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:19 
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What is destined death? Melina can be a spirit fine, but if everything else is dead what is Melina taking about? Why are we the ONLY ones alive? Again, FS and Michael Zaki making things vague and unclear. At least we have people here with all the answers.
I wasn't saying everyone else was dead, i was saying no one is dead, but they don't get to live because their thoughts and sanity are destroyed by the flame.

Im sorry if I'm coming across as some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ know-it-all, I'm not trying to do that. I wanna have an actual discussion about the lore, because i find it very interesting :)
No no no! I enjoy talking to you!!
I'm taking shots at Mr No. I'm right. You're wrong. Lmao edgy blah blah blah.
So where everyone is living now and can't have a proper death, your thinking it's kinda the inverse? Or...
Arcade Bumstead (Bloqueado) 5 MAR 2024 a las 7:23 
Nihilism breeds two schools of thought.
Either "nothing matters, so why bother" or "nothing matters, so we are unbound and capable of anything".
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