Frenzied Flame is the true ending of Elden Ring

[noisyturtle]

It really seems to be the way the game was meant to end. It makes the most sense for the mc's journey, the history, and the timeline. All the other endings seem tacked on, or like fan service. Thoughts?

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Ignoring what the game says so you can treat your head canon as fact is not "interpretation."

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Im speaking facts, you're sharing opinions and asserting that they're as valid as facts. They aren't.

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Ignoring what the game says

And where, exactly, and I ignoring "what the game says?"

Our understanding of what the Frenzied Flame ending does comes primarily from these sources:
-Melina's speech
-Hyetta's dialouge
-Shabriri's dialouge
-related item descriptions
-the end cutscene

Hyetta and Shabriri don't support a "nothing is left" reading, there's still stuff left in the cutscene (though whether that just means the process isn't done yet isn't clear), Melina's dialouge makes reference to a land with life destroyed (though I wonder if she's specifically talking about life in the "the stuff living here right now" sense rather than total, universal eradication)...

Where in the world are you getting the idea that the game unfailingly presents FF as the reduction of the universe to nothingness?

Dude you really need to play the game. lmao

[SunfireKnight86]

Let's not forget this little tiny line right here that can TOTALLY be interpreted as anything other than the end of the world. /s

"I ask you, one more time. Please, seek not the Frenzied Flame. As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all. When the land they preside over is lifeless."

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Let's not forget this little tiny line right here that can TOTALLY be interpreted as anything other than the end of the world. /s

"I ask you, one more time. Please, seek not the Frenzied Flame. As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all. When the land they preside over is lifeless."

It's called lying. Are you familiar?
edit: and that's not to say that it's willful. Melina may have been misinformed.

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Let's not forget this little tiny line right here that can TOTALLY be interpreted as anything other than the end of the world. /s

"I ask you, one more time. Please, seek not the Frenzied Flame. As one who strives to become a Lord, deny not the lives, the new births of this world. Those who would are not fit to be called Lord. When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all. When the land they preside over is lifeless."

It's called lying. Are you familiar?
edit: and that's not to say that it's willful. Melina may have been misinformed.

LMAO "Everything I don't like is a lie." I'm gonna block you now.

[ressenmacher]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame.
Until all is One again."

This statement is incredibly vague - you can just as (if not more) easily read it as melting everything back into the state it was as the One Great, which is referenced with similar caps in the same passage. And what that entails is unclear - was the One Great nothingness? Undifferentiated existence? It isn't super clear.

Look, Melina says "stuff left." The cutscene you get when you play the game? Also stuff left. Shabriri and Hyetta? Really vague, you can read it either way. And I don't think any item descriptions state that the FF is going to erase all of existence. The evidence seems opposed to ambiguous.

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

And you guys are like "maybe you can interpret that as something really awesome!"

I don't think ANYONE interprets FoF as an "awesome" ending, even the characters promoting it (except maybe shabriri, though he seems to be pretty morally messed up). At best it seems like Hyetta views it as a necessary thing that has to be done.

The question is whether it's an improvement over the state of the world as you find it, and whether it produces a better outcome than some or all of the other endings, which is nearly impossible to determine given the inconsistency in how the world is characterized in the case of the former and the equal paucity of information we have on what the other endings entail.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

It's called lying. Are you familiar?
edit: and that's not to say that it's willful. Melina may have been misinformed.

LMAO "Everything I don't like is a lie." I'm gonna block you now.

Please do you child. Read and re read everything written. You commit EVERY thing you accuse others of. Leave the thread. You're the only one running your mouth about nothing.

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame.
Until all is One again."

This statement is incredibly vague - you can just as (if not more) easily read it as melting everything back into the state it was as the One Great, which is referenced with similar caps in the same passage. And what that entails is unclear - was the One Great nothingness? Undifferentiated existence? It isn't super clear.

Look, Melina says "stuff left." The cutscene you get when you play the game? Also stuff left. Shabriri and Hyetta? Really vague, you can read it either way. And I don't think any item descriptions state that the FF is going to erase all of existence. The evidence seems opposed to ambiguous.

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

And you guys are like "maybe you can interpret that as something really awesome!"

I don't think ANYONE interprets FoF as an "awesome" ending, even the characters promoting it (except maybe shabriri, though he seems to be pretty morally messed up). At best it seems like Hyetta views it as a necessary thing that has to be done.

The question is whether it's an improvement over the state of the world as you find it, and whether it produces a better outcome than some or all of the other endings, which is nearly impossible to determine given the inconsistency in how the world is characterized in the case of the former and the equal paucity of information we have on what the other endings entail.

Its not vague statement, especially not in context of the pile of other ♥♥♥♥ I wrote.

I get that you guys want it to be some ambiguous edgelord ending, but it's not. Its the bad ending.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

This statement is incredibly vague - you can just as (if not more) easily read it as melting everything back into the state it was as the One Great, which is referenced with similar caps in the same passage. And what that entails is unclear - was the One Great nothingness? Undifferentiated existence? It isn't super clear.

Look, Melina says "stuff left." The cutscene you get when you play the game? Also stuff left. Shabriri and Hyetta? Really vague, you can read it either way. And I don't think any item descriptions state that the FF is going to erase all of existence. The evidence seems opposed to ambiguous.



I don't think ANYONE interprets FoF as an "awesome" ending, even the characters promoting it (except maybe shabriri, though he seems to be pretty morally messed up). At best it seems like Hyetta views it as a necessary thing that has to be done.

The question is whether it's an improvement over the state of the world as you find it, and whether it produces a better outcome than some or all of the other endings, which is nearly impossible to determine given the inconsistency in how the world is characterized in the case of the former and the equal paucity of information we have on what the other endings entail.

Its not vague statement, especially not in context of the pile of other ♥♥♥♥ I wrote.

I get that you guys want it to be some ambiguous edgelord ending, but it's not. Its the bad ending.

"Guys! I wrote a bunch that I believe in. And since you don't agree you're edgy!! It's cool though."

[ressenmacher]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Its not vague statement, especially not in context of the pile of other ♥♥♥♥ I wrote.

I fundamentally disagree. "We will turn everything back into the One Great" is incredibly vague - what is the One Great? Does this mean all life, or EVERYTHING? Does it include the other Outer Gods - i..e. is this "melt the Earth," or is it "melt the universe?"

We just have no idea, because we play as a mute errand-boy murderhobo who won't ask basic followup questions like these.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Its not vague statement, especially not in context of the pile of other ♥♥♥♥ I wrote.

I fundamentally disagree. "We will turn everything back into the One Great" is incredibly vague - what is the One Great? Does this mean all life, or EVERYTHING? Does it include the other Outer Gods - i..e. is this "melt the Earth," or is it "melt the universe?"

We just have no idea, because we play as a mute errand-boy murderhobo who won't ask basic followup questions like these.

I think some people double down in embarrassment. There's no text or dialogue to change a mind determined to prove it's point.

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Its not vague statement, especially not in context of the pile of other ♥♥♥♥ I wrote.

I fundamentally disagree. "We will turn everything back into the One Great" is incredibly vague - what is the One Great? Does this mean all life, or EVERYTHING? Does it include the other Outer Gods - i..e. is this "melt the Earth," or is it "melt the universe?"

We just have no idea, because we play as a mute errand-boy murderhobo who won't ask basic followup questions like these.

Except the game flat out states what it is. AGAIN I will post this but after this I'm going to stop talking to you about it because its clear you're intentionally misrepresenting the game to try and support a fan fiction you like.

"When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all."

[SunfireKnight86]

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

I fundamentally disagree. "We will turn everything back into the One Great" is incredibly vague - what is the One Great? Does this mean all life, or EVERYTHING? Does it include the other Outer Gods - i..e. is this "melt the Earth," or is it "melt the universe?"

We just have no idea, because we play as a mute errand-boy murderhobo who won't ask basic followup questions like these.

I think some people double down in embarrassment. There's no text or dialogue to change a mind determined to prove it's point.

Nothing gets someone to respond to you like telling them you aren't gonna read any more of their responses. Spoilers: I didn't read this one either.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

...
after this I'm going to stop talking to you about it ...

Promises, promises

[ressenmacher]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

"When the land they preside over is lifeless. Please put a stop to this madness. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is no lord at all."

The exact thing you are quoting directly disputes your claim of universal annihilation.

This statement doesn't even make the case that all life is getting flushed - it speaks to planetary-scale removal of life only - the world's left, just barren of life, and it doesn't make clear whether this also means all the other life we know exists in the universe goes down with it.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

I think some people double down in embarrassment. There's no text or dialogue to change a mind determined to prove it's point.

Nothing gets someone to respond to you like telling them you aren't gonna read any more of their responses. Spoilers: I didn't read this one either.

You filthy little liar. So much for a block. You're probably going to keep talking in circles after ressenmacher reminds you that FS games are subjective.
Well, you have bad takes, you're stubborn, AND your word is shallow. Great.