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Frenzied Flame is the true ending of Elden Ring
It really seems to be the way the game was meant to end. It makes the most sense for the mc's journey, the history, and the timeline. All the other endings seem tacked on, or like fan service. Thoughts?
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echo_ML 4 mart. 2024 la 13:23 
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Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
It's not unclear at all. The Frenzied Flame seeks to unite all things back into primordial nothingness...

No, SOMETHING is still there - presumably the One Great, the thing that life, y'know, came from. The universe wouldn't be empty.
Presumably that means the crucible, the primordial erdtree.
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It's not unclear at all. The Frenzied Flame seeks to unite all things back into primordial nothingness...

No, SOMETHING is still there - presumably the One Great, the thing that life, y'know, came from. The universe wouldn't be empty.
Dude never got the ending and or didn't see post credits.
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Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
It's not unclear at all. The Frenzied Flame seeks to unite all things back into primordial nothingness...

No, SOMETHING is still there - presumably the One Great, the thing that life, y'know, came from. The universe wouldn't be empty.
It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Postat inițial de mpcgannon:
Dude never got the ending and or didn't see post credits.

Postat inițial de hyetta:
All that there is came from the One Great.
Then came fractures,
and births,
and souls.

But the Greater Will made a mistake.
Torment, despair, affliction...
every sin, every curse.
Every one, born of the mistake.

And so, what was borrowed must be returned.
Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame.
Until all is One again

Dunno what to tell you. Hyetta outright states that disparity is melted away and the world returned to a primordial state of unity.

Whether that entails the destruction of all life, and if so whether that also entails an inability of life to rise again, is unclear
Editat ultima dată de ressenmacher; 4 mart. 2024 la 13:28
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No, SOMETHING is still there - presumably the One Great, the thing that life, y'know, came from. The universe wouldn't be empty.
It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Only as you know it. The Vessel is blind to the outcome due to them not existing anymore. There is no way to know that.
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No, SOMETHING is still there - presumably the One Great, the thing that life, y'know, came from. The universe wouldn't be empty.
It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Spoiler alert Melina is evidence that life survives after the burn
echo_ML 4 mart. 2024 la 13:31 
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It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Spoiler alert Melina is evidence that life survives after the burn
Well i mean melina is probably a demigod sooooooo
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Dude never got the ending and or didn't see post credits.

Postat inițial de hyetta:
All that there is came from the One Great.
Then came fractures,
and births,
and souls.

But the Greater Will made a mistake.
Torment, despair, affliction...
every sin, every curse.
Every one, born of the mistake.

And so, what was borrowed must be returned.
Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame.
Until all is One again

Dunno what to tell you. Hyetta outright states that disparity is melted away and the world returned to a primordial state of unity.

Whether that entails the destruction of all life, and if so whether that also entails an inability of life to rise again, is unclear
Yes, as in "united in nothing." Which is what Melina says. And what Sharibi suggests. And is supported by item descriptions.

You're reading what you want to read instead of what the game says.

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Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Only as you know it. The Vessel is blind to the outcome due to them not existing anymore. There is no way to know that.
No. That's what the game says. You repeating your fan fiction doesn't make it true.

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Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
It is explicitly stated in game that doing the Frenzied Flame ending is to not only destroy all life but to prevent any life from rising in the future.
Spoiler alert Melina is evidence that life survives after the burn
No, Melina is trying to stop you while you burn the world. Not after you're done.
As an aside, the only people who suggest that it might not be literally the worst thing ever are a crazy lady who eats eyes and the spirit of chaos inhabiting the body of a guy who would have been very not cool with it.
Can't figure out if troll or stubborn.
I quit this dude.
Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
You're reading what you want to read instead of what the game says.

You're excluding other possible interpretations to leave only the one you favor.

Shabriri makes no reference to the end of all things in the universe - he too speaks specifically about destroying all disparity. Maybe this means nothingness. Maybe the One Great is some primordial undifferentiated state of being that the world returns to.

We simply don't have enough information to really tell.
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You're reading what you want to read instead of what the game says.

You're excluding other possible interpretations to leave only the one you favor.

Shabriri makes no reference to the end of all things in the universe - he too speaks specifically about destroying all disparity. Maybe this means nothingness. Maybe the One Great is some primordial undifferentiated state of being that the world returns to.

We simply don't have enough information to really tell.
Ignoring what the game says so you can treat your head canon as fact is not "interpretation."
Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
Ignoring what the game says so you can treat your head canon as fact is not "interpretation."
Meet mirror
Postat inițial de SunfireKnight86:
Ignoring what the game says

And where, exactly, and I ignoring "what the game says?"

Our understanding of what the Frenzied Flame ending does comes primarily from these sources:
-Melina's speech
-Hyetta's dialouge
-Shabriri's dialouge
-related item descriptions
-the end cutscene

Hyetta and Shabriri don't support a "nothing is left" reading, there's still stuff left in the cutscene (though whether that just means the process isn't done yet isn't clear), Melina's dialouge makes reference to a land with life destroyed (though I wonder if she's specifically talking about life in the "the stuff living here right now" sense rather than total, universal eradication)...

Where in the world are you getting the idea that the game unfailingly presents FF as the reduction of the universe to nothingness?
Editat ultima dată de ressenmacher; 4 mart. 2024 la 13:50
"Burn the Erdtree to the ground,
and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes.

Ahhh, may chaos take the world!
May chaos take the world!"

As said by Shibiri, who is described as--

"It is said that the sickness of the flame of frenzy began with Shabriri, the most reviled man in all history."

Who says--

"Shabriri is chaos incarnate. I cannot die. Ahh, may chaos take the world!"

When he dies.

And you guys are like "maybe you can interpret that as something really awesome!"

After 2016 nothing should surprise anyone in regards to people not understanding other people at all but I certainly get a giggle out of it in every game ever when randos try to argue that Lord Evil the Molester of Everyone is actually the hero the whole time.

And people in here trying to pretend Hyetta isn't talking about the end of all things when she says--

"But the Greater Will made a mistake.
Torment, despair, affliction...
every sin, every curse.
Every one, born of the mistake.

And so, what was borrowed must be returned.
Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame.
Until all is One again."

And let's not forget--

"No more fractures...no more birth... (sighs)"

Nobody is talking about "all is one, then we try something else." The goal of the chaos flame is to return to primordial nothingness. Full stop. It's literally the end of the universe. At least Dung Eater leaves behind a bunch of ♥♥♥♥ eating turd goblins when he's done.
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