This game proves how low the standard is in modern gaming

[Shocker]

The fact that this empty open world Dark Souls 3 asset flip got a 96 on Metacritic and sold over 23 million in two years is mind boggling. Is not having an arrow telling you where to go counts as a masterpiece these days?

[LordBlcksyde]

Originally posted by Shocker:

The fact that this empty open world Dark Souls 3 asset flip got a 96 on Metacritic and sold over 23 million in two years is mind boggling. Is not having an arrow telling you where to go counts as a masterpiece these days?

let me guess u love modern warfare 3 and genshin impact

[Arcade Bumstead]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

Originally posted by Arcade Bumstead:

Standards in general have fallen massively in the last 20 years or so. It's not just video games.

The simulation/hologram rendering has run out of ideas. That's why every other candy brand came out with a gummy version in the last couple years. And all the chip brands are now putting their flavors in beef jerky, and missing flavors like "Dorito flavored Lays". They have Dr. Pepper flavored Jack Links now. Dorito flavored too. It comes off as desperate to me.

I fail to see how such things are related, but okay. They had bad ideas back in the day as well. It all started with "no child left behind" as far as I can tell. They literally just lowered scholastic standards so that more people would pass, and a whole lot of other ♥♥♥♥ happened, and here we are now.
It's not going to get better.

[WhateverWorks]

Of course not, a great turning usually gets really bad before it gets to any state that can be called "better". It may seem alarmist and comical to say it when only looking at the state of the entertainment industry, but when you start factoring in emerging economies, newly valuable resources, world religions, world governments, 2024 being the year with the most "democratic" elections in recorded history; it's not unreasonable at all to expect a lot of things to go wrong before they start going right.

The decline of gaming is one smart cog in a infinitely more complex machine.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Arcade Bumstead:

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

The simulation/hologram rendering has run out of ideas. That's why every other candy brand came out with a gummy version in the last couple years. And all the chip brands are now putting their flavors in beef jerky, and missing flavors like "Dorito flavored Lays". They have Dr. Pepper flavored Jack Links now. Dorito flavored too. It comes off as desperate to me.

I fail to see how such things are related, but okay. They had bad ideas back in the day as well. It all started with "no child left behind" as far as I can tell. They literally just lowered scholastic standards so that more people would pass, and a whole lot of other ♥♥♥♥ happened, and here we are now.
It's not going to get better.

NCLB is just a contemporary permutation of an older law from the 70s; I'm no fan of the President who signed NCLB into law, but like many things in his administration, it wasn't his idea.

Beyond that, academic standards have been in the toilet since you and I were in school (I'm assuming you're not older than me; I'm 42) in the US. They've just dropped *further* since then because schools are underfunded and we're not allowed to hurt a student's fee-fees.

This is true at both the K-12 and collegiate level.

My source? English prof for eighteen years, and now I teach for a private institution. The problem is everywhere, but is older than some seem to think (with reference to NCLB).

[WhateverWorks]

How have you managed to stay in the field the last few years? Serious question? I come from a family of teachers, and figured out where the field was heading before I even finished my degree. Never ended up going into that field with it, and that was 12 years ago. I don't understand how some people have held on through certain aspects of the education industrial complex.

[Arcade Bumstead]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

NCLB is just a contemporary permutation of an older law from the 70s; I'm no fan of the President who signed NCLB into law, but like many things in his administration, it wasn't his idea.

Beyond that, academic standards have been in the toilet since you and I were in school (I'm assuming you're not older than me; I'm 42) in the US. They've just dropped *further* since then because schools are underfunded and we're not allowed to hurt a student's fee-fees.

This is true at both the K-12 and collegiate level.

My source? English prof for eighteen years, and now I teach for a private institution. The problem is everywhere, but is older than some seem to think (with reference to NCLB).

Fair enough. It's not as if these things spawn out of nothing. Just from what I've seen, that was the beginning of the end.
There was also the mass adoption of the internet back in like 07 or so, but yeah... There are a lot of moving parts and variables to take into account. It's too early to be pondering on such things.
Point is, in my life, I've seen things get worse in real time, and I don't like it. You're only a few years older than me, btw.

[königplatzen]

Originally posted by Swattii:

Originally posted by königplatzen:

If OP has a point, there would be a less nasty way to present it. But that's the problem of the steam forum format. You won't get attention with solely a valid and normal take. The reason, why everything else is so exaggerated is, that you otherwise won't get awards, even if it just jesters. The thread would just sink down and that's it.
But here we are...

He's right that gaming standards have lowered considerably. It's not just "nerdy dudes" playing games anymore, it's the mainstream now. Kinda the reason why we get "movie-like" video games these days which offer poor game play.

Of course, this has nothing to do with Elden Ring, Elden Ring is still good in my eyes, albeit a little overrated.

I think, it has commercialized a lot. Companies have discovered, that you can earn a lot of money with games. Covid was a big boost to this, too. This also means, that the most important aspect of a game is, that it sells well.
Also, games now need to have a certain UX standard, otherwise people get lost quite easily. But this also gets often get turned into the opposite, that games get boring, easy, and feel like handholding and working through a task list.
And games need a higher graphics standard, otherwise people won't play it, except those games with pixel graphics, which also seem to fill a niche.
I also see a lot more games available, which can be played. Mostly for a small buck. But there is almost no time to check them out properly. Often, you play an hour max and if it doesn't click instantly, it gets sorted

There are still niche games/companies, which do it very differently. but they often get overshadowed by the popular games. f.e. my all-time favorite game will be factorio (factory builder game) and devs are truly amazing.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Originally posted by Swattii:

He's right that gaming standards have lowered considerably. It's not just "nerdy dudes" playing games anymore, it's the mainstream now. Kinda the reason why we get "movie-like" video games these days which offer poor game play.

Of course, this has nothing to do with Elden Ring, Elden Ring is still good in my eyes, albeit a little overrated.

I think, it has commercialized a lot. Companies have discovered, that you can earn a lot of money with games. Covid was a big boost to this, too. This also means, that the most important aspect of a game is, that it sells well.
Also, games now need to have a certain UX standard, otherwise people get lost quite easily. But this also gets often get turned into the opposite, that games get boring, easy, and feel like handholding and working through a task list.
And games need a higher graphics standard, otherwise people won't play it, except those games with pixel graphics, which also seem to fill a niche.
I also see a lot more games available, which can be played. Mostly for a small buck. But there is almost no time to check them out properly. Often, you play an hour max and if it doesn't click instantly, it gets sorted

There are still niche games/companies, which do it very differently. but they often get overshadowed by the popular games. f.e. my all-time favorite game will be factorio (factory builder game) and devs are truly amazing.

There is an ongoing kinda golden age of indie games that brings fresh wind into things and the success of some of those games can be seen as a counter development to the worst practices of the AAA industry. And they can serve all kinds of niches, too.

[Arcade Bumstead]

Originally posted by königplatzen:

This also means, that the most important aspect of a game is, that it sells well.

WE STILL HAVE ALL YOUR ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MONEY
https://youtu.be/OCjobAeMBos?si=pVuKUFlhwIvHkqnh

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

How have you managed to stay in the field the last few years? Serious question? I come from a family of teachers, and figured out where the field was heading before I even finished my degree. Never ended up going into that field with it, and that was 12 years ago. I don't understand how some people have held on through certain aspects of the education industrial complex.

The short answer, sappy as it might sound, is that I love my students (in a professional way), and I genuinely want to see them succeed. Yes, some of them can be pains in the ass, and yes, dealing with the massive learning loss incurred during the pandemic in the US has contributed to the further ossification of my liver, but the kids (whether adults or actual minors; my colleges of residence have always offered dual-credit courses) make it worth it.

The paycheck sucks, and the present political environment can make things unpleasant (turns out people don't like responding to accusations that a text is "woke" or "indoctrinating" with "have you actually read it? Can you point me to the offending passages?"), but ultimately I don't do it for anyone but my kids, full stop.

The day that changes--the day my kids are no longer worth the effort, frustration, or borderline alcoholism as a coping mechanism--I will leave the field. I refuse to be that bitter, tenured jerkwad just cashing a check.

And hey, being in the field allows me to continue my Sisyphean quest to undo the damage Alanis did to several generations' understanding of irony.

[Arcade Bumstead]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

How have you managed to stay in the field the last few years? Serious question? I come from a family of teachers, and figured out where the field was heading before I even finished my degree. Never ended up going into that field with it, and that was 12 years ago. I don't understand how some people have held on through certain aspects of the education industrial complex.

The short answer, sappy as it might sound, is that I love my students (in a professional way), and I genuinely want to see them succeed. Yes, some of them can be pains in the ass, and yes, dealing with the massive learning loss incurred during the pandemic in the US has contributed to the further ossification of my liver, but the kids (whether adults or actual minors; my colleges of residence have always offered dual-credit courses) make it worth it.

The paycheck sucks, and the present political environment can make things unpleasant (turns out people don't like responding to accusations that a text is "woke" or "indoctrinating" with "have you actually read it? Can you point me to the offending passages?"), but ultimately I don't do it for anyone but my kids, full stop.

The day that changes--the day my kids are no longer worth the effort, frustration, or borderline alcoholism as a coping mechanism--I will leave the field. I refuse to be that bitter, tenured jerkwad just cashing a check.

And hey, being in the field allows me to continue my Sisyphean quest to undo the damage Alanis did to several generations' understanding of irony.

Damn dude.
I just want to say that, no matter how much of a troll I am in general, you have my respect.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Arcade Bumstead:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

The short answer, sappy as it might sound, is that I love my students (in a professional way), and I genuinely want to see them succeed. Yes, some of them can be pains in the ass, and yes, dealing with the massive learning loss incurred during the pandemic in the US has contributed to the further ossification of my liver, but the kids (whether adults or actual minors; my colleges of residence have always offered dual-credit courses) make it worth it.

The paycheck sucks, and the present political environment can make things unpleasant (turns out people don't like responding to accusations that a text is "woke" or "indoctrinating" with "have you actually read it? Can you point me to the offending passages?"), but ultimately I don't do it for anyone but my kids, full stop.

The day that changes--the day my kids are no longer worth the effort, frustration, or borderline alcoholism as a coping mechanism--I will leave the field. I refuse to be that bitter, tenured jerkwad just cashing a check.

And hey, being in the field allows me to continue my Sisyphean quest to undo the damage Alanis did to several generations' understanding of irony.

Damn dude.
I just want to say that, no matter how much of a troll I am in general, you have my respect.

Appreciated. I vent my spleen here as often as anyone, because I refuse to vent on my students, so my words and behaviors here may not always be worthy of that respect, but I thank you all the same. I'm a very different person with my kids than I am here, and sometimes they consume the last ounce of my patience, meaning I'm out of it when I engage here.

I may need to rethink that balance. I cannot take anything away from my kids in terms of my energy and focus, but I can and probably should work on being more level-headed with people here.

[Arcade Bumstead]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Appreciated. I vent my spleen here as often as anyone, because I refuse to vent on my students, so my words and behaviors here may not always be worthy of that respect, but I thank you all the same. I'm a very different person with my kids than I am here, and sometimes they consume the last ounce of my patience, meaning I'm out of it when I engage here.

I may need to rethink that balance. I cannot take anything away from my kids in terms of my energy and focus, but I can and probably should work on being more level-headed with people here.

You're a real one.
We do what we can do. It's all we can do.

https://youtu.be/Fgxz5P0CJ38?si=ZDgL96dKCdM_lLpY

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Shocker:

The fact that this empty open world Dark Souls 3 asset flip got a 96 on Metacritic and sold over 23 million in two years is mind boggling. Is not having an arrow telling you where to go counts as a masterpiece these days?

The fact that you say that proves that you haven't even played it.

[Kalameet]

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Originally posted by Shocker:

The fact that this empty open world Dark Souls 3 asset flip got a 96 on Metacritic and sold over 23 million in two years is mind boggling. Is not having an arrow telling you where to go counts as a masterpiece these days?

The fact that you say that proves that you haven't even played it.

I played it, and i still believe many Fromsoftware games don't deserve the universal praise they got.

On a pure technical level, many Fromsoftware games are mid at best. They have a great sense of art and are great at designing ingame models/critters, but rather shoddy in pretty much everything else.

Their multiplayer never got past the "provided as-is" status, with many features being hard-tied to the current player pool size, and little-to-no ways to circumvent any sudden drought of players.

There are still tons of basic QoL stuff these games simply refuses to add, reinforcing the belief "git gud" solves everything, when in reality it's only a matter of historically unresolved jank