Co-op is not easier than single player. Fact.

[idiotdoomspiral]

(For the try-hards) My reasoning: you don't have to level up to the recommended level for the area, you can challenge yourself and your friend by being underlevelled. Having said that, you could also play single player underlevelled too, but then you could also use exploits, you could get those items that weaken specific bosses, or you could study the meta and use broken builds - these things don't require much skill.

Is it really more skillful to use a broken build by yourself than for some jolly cosplaying nerds to fight a boss with weak and silly weapons? ...they are handicapping themselves for fun.

My point is difficulty is whatever you decide it to be. This game actually allows you to define your own difficulty to a minute degree.

[ramattis]

Coop is absolutely easier with ALL other things being equal. I'm not sure how this is an argument.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Coop is absolutely easier with ALL other things being equal. I'm not sure how this is an argument.

you didn't even read it, or didn't understand it

[ramattis]

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

Originally posted by ramattis:

Coop is absolutely easier with ALL other things being equal. I'm not sure how this is an argument.

you didn't even read it, or didn't understand it

I did read. I did understand. You essentially compared meta build solo to underpowered build coop to make your claim. The comparison has to be made with all other variables remaining the same. With all else the same, coop is only a benefit, therefore easier.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

you didn't even read it, or didn't understand it

I did read. I did understand. You essentially compared meta build solo to underpowered build coop to make your claim. The comparison has to be made with all other variables remaining the same. With all else the same, coop is only a benefit, therefore easier.

The comparison does not have to be made with all other variables remaining the same. Why would it? The variables are different as stated, underlevelled you are much weaker, therefore the variables are not the same.

[ramattis]

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

Originally posted by ramattis:

I did read. I did understand. You essentially compared meta build solo to underpowered build coop to make your claim. The comparison has to be made with all other variables remaining the same. With all else the same, coop is only a benefit, therefore easier.

The comparison does not have to be made with all other variables remaining the same. Why would it? The variables are different as stated, underlevelled you are much weaker, therefore the variables are not the same.

Trolling I see. Carry on then.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

The comparison does not have to be made with all other variables remaining the same. Why would it? The variables are different as stated, underlevelled you are much weaker, therefore the variables are not the same.

Trolling I see. Carry on then.

I'm not trolling can you explain what you mean please?

[ramattis]

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

Originally posted by ramattis:

Trolling I see. Carry on then.

I'm not trolling can you explain what you mean please?

I still think you're trolling but I'll take the bait because I'm bored. If you are trying to determine the value of something, all other variables HAVE TO remain the same. Otherwise your comparison may be due to something other than what you are comparing. In this case, you have determined that coop does not have value because you are comparing a meta build solo to underleveled coop. The reason solo is easier in this case is due to using a meta build and has nothing to do with the value of coop. A proper comparison would be to compare meta solo vs meta coop or underleveled solo vs underleveled coop. That's the only fair way to do the comparison. And you'll find that in either case coop is indeed easier. But you already know all this and I'm a fool for wasting my time explaining it to you.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

I'm not trolling can you explain what you mean please?

I still think you're trolling but I'll take the bait because I'm bored. If you are trying to determine the value of something, all other variables HAVE TO remain the same. Otherwise your comparison may be due to something other than what you are comparing. In this case, you have determined that coop does not have value because you are comparing a meta build solo to underleveled coop. The reason solo is easier in this case is due to using a meta build and has nothing to do with the value of coop. A proper comparison would be to compare meta solo vs meta coop or underleveled solo vs underleveled coop. That's the only fair way to do the comparison. And you'll find that in either case coop is indeed easier. But you already know all this and I'm a fool for wasting my time explaining it to you.

I don't know I think you are the one trolling here. Most players play the game with a typical build and the level that they are comfortable with for the area. What I am suggesting is, they don't actually level up as much as they would otherwise... therefore they are making the enemies tougher relative to their (uncomfortably) low level.

Let's face it, you saw the title and didn't agree with it, and without reading the post you made a snarky comment. Then I pushed you to explain and your reasoning comes off like the verbose word salad of Jordan Peterson on a good day.

[ramattis]

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

Originally posted by ramattis:

I still think you're trolling but I'll take the bait because I'm bored. If you are trying to determine the value of something, all other variables HAVE TO remain the same. Otherwise your comparison may be due to something other than what you are comparing. In this case, you have determined that coop does not have value because you are comparing a meta build solo to underleveled coop. The reason solo is easier in this case is due to using a meta build and has nothing to do with the value of coop. A proper comparison would be to compare meta solo vs meta coop or underleveled solo vs underleveled coop. That's the only fair way to do the comparison. And you'll find that in either case coop is indeed easier. But you already know all this and I'm a fool for wasting my time explaining it to you.

I don't know I think you are the one trolling here. Most players play the game with a typical build and the level that they are comfortable with for the area. What I am suggesting is, they don't actually level up as much as they would otherwise... therefore they are making the enemies tougher relative to their (uncomfortably) low level.

Let's face it, you saw the title and didn't agree with it, and without reading the post you made a snarky comment. Then I pushed you to explain and your reasoning comes off like the verbose word salad of Jordan Peterson on a good day.

Still trolling, or perhaps just dense. Either way I'm out, Good day to you my friend.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

I don't know I think you are the one trolling here. Most players play the game with a typical build and the level that they are comfortable with for the area. What I am suggesting is, they don't actually level up as much as they would otherwise... therefore they are making the enemies tougher relative to their (uncomfortably) low level.

Let's face it, you saw the title and didn't agree with it, and without reading the post you made a snarky comment. Then I pushed you to explain and your reasoning comes off like the verbose word salad of Jordan Peterson on a good day.

Still trolling, or perhaps just dense. Either way I'm out, Good day to you my friend.

You don't get it man...

[Alby]

for a lot of people, co-op makes the game significantly easier. are you one of those people that'll post a highly objective topic and get mad when people either don't take it seriously or provide an alternative persepctive?

because normally trolls do that and that's exactly what you're exhibiting here.

fact

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by Alby:

for a lot of people, co-op makes the game significantly easier. are you one of those people that'll post a highly objective topic and get mad when people either don't take it seriously or provide an alternative persepctive?

because normally trolls do that and that's exactly what you're exhibiting here.

fact

I'm still waiting for that alternative perspective.

[Alby]

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

I'm still waiting for that alternative perspective.

Originally posted by Alby:

for a lot of people, co-op makes the game significantly easier.

there you go, ma'am

[cybercybercybercyber4]

i do agree with the OP to some degree, if you underlevel hard enough itll become harder in coop than single player because the target switching of the bosses would hinder anticipating the bosses next move which if theyd die in 1-2 hits could end the session rather unexpectedly.

a lvl 30 ng+7 run is probably harder in coop than in single player.

[idiotdoomspiral]

Originally posted by Alby:

Originally posted by Mitch Conner:

I'm still waiting for that alternative perspective.

Originally posted by Alby:

for a lot of people, co-op makes the game significantly easier.

there you go, ma'am

Yeah that has nothing to do with anything I said in the post, how about you actually argue with words?