Seamless coop

[StabMasterOG]

Anyone tryna play?

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by ramattis:

EDIT: Also, seamless coop allows those with illegitimate copies of the game to partake in jolly cooperation so supporting the mod also directly supports piracy (if that matters at all to you).

Wait so because in your opinion a mod (Its not even the mod fyi) is against your 'morals' because it allows you to play illegitimate copies (Again false specifically in context that you're using it) is not okay,

But all those singlepayer mods that make use of the etxact same framework that supposedly allows this is okay?

See the contradiction here?

Youre aware that non legit copies often come with theyr own exes?

Oh sweet summer child I think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here :p

[Andomil]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Originally posted by StabMasterOG:

You sound like a cool guy

I'm trolling with the reported bit of course, but it is cheating. It bypasses a core mechanic of the game (the risk of invasion) that balances the benefit of having the cooperator. Anyone who does so is not only cheating, but also robbing themselves of a unique challenge and an opportunity to grow and improve at the game. I know invaders can be toxic at times but avoiding them altogether is doing one's self a disservice. A wise man once said:

"You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference."

EDIT: Also, seamless coop allows those with illegitimate copies of the game to partake in jolly cooperation so supporting the mod also directly supports piracy (if that matters at all to you).

get a life

[curser]

It brings a tear to my eye thinking that people never change. This conversation would look identical a decade ago in DS:PtD forum. In fact - I read only the first three pages and saw the same arguments used multiple times

[Andomil]

Originally posted by ramattis:

Seamless coop is cheating. Reported.

What's wrong with you? Let people play how they want. They paid for the game, so they should play it the way they like.
As long as they don't cheat in PVP everything is ok and you don't care at all.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

And I said it is not an MMO, but as in an MMO where players can hurt, kill and loot other players, it is core mechanic, asking to remove it or removing it is taking out of the experience and dumbing down the game to a walk/grind fest with way toned down difficulty as it also allow for a lot of other stuff I mentioned (no enemies scale up, no players scale down, no invasions, nothing and AI is dumb to deal with 2 or more players).

most mmos already remove pvp, its called pve servers lol

Because it is an intended way. Not here.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by SimonVirusIII:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

It is not dumb, this game just is not Diablo or WoW.
Also, it is like you go play an MMO and request the removal of other players being able to damage, kill and loot you in the open when itt is a core gamee mechanic there forcing you to watch out and walk in groups with other stronger players bcause that is parrt off the envisioned experience devs there want for their game.
I find it dumb to purchase a game clearly not meant for the mechanic you want and force the mechanic just because and have a dumbed down experience overall because the AI is too dumb to deal with more than 1 player and multiple players using Torrent, not scaled down in case the summoned players are much higher level and not upscaling the enemies only destroys it even more, the "no invasion" is just the cherry on top of the cake of destruction.

Are you still dying on this hill? Dude give it a rest the only person in this discussion that cares about the 'vision' or 'the intended way of playing the game' that the game developers put forth is you. Ride their ♥♥♥♥ a little harder buddy.

I am not dying on this hill, I am thriving and spawning!!
Sure on this duscussion I am one of the few who cares, it is an effing discussion created to praise a mod that annihilate the difficulty and most of the purpose of the game to turn it into a walking simulator and washed version of Diablo.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

And I said it is not an MMO, but as in an MMO where players can hurt, kill and loot other players, it is core mechanic, asking to remove it or removing it is taking out of the experience and dumbing down the game to a walk/grind fest with way toned down difficulty as it also allow for a lot of other stuff I mentioned (no enemies scale up, no players scale down, no invasions, nothing and AI is dumb to deal with 2 or more players).

If AI is dumb then coop from vanilla should be removed completely. If boss with extra 20% in vanilla is fine but with extra 100% per every another player is easy then I don't know what to say.

No it should not be removed, but it dont do any good that an AI that is this dumb can not occasionally have a bit of help if players decide to play through whole areas.
A field boss rarely survive enough that an invader can show up and bosses with boss fog dont allow invasion, give or take some bug/glitch that prob is connection/server side.

[Madao]

Oh another one of these threads where pvp losers are so starved for easy kills they start pvp in the forums instead.

do note that not everyone doing pvp is a "pvp loser". you know who I'm talking about.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Darkstorm:

If AI is dumb then coop from vanilla should be removed completely.

Its not "coop" in the way everyone always means, its a temporary helper system for those who need help with the single player game. It has its intended purpose so everyone can try to play the games no matter their skill level. Coop activists just like to try and warp the feature for their preferences, it should not be removed. The AI is designed to fight a single human player and a specifically programmed NPC, not multiple human players who can abuse its behaviour, because to no ones surprise these are primarily single player games.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

nope, because you cant connect to FromSoft servers without it lol

Try explaining to me how at DS3 a cheater managed to insert his dead body into my char world and lock my char from opening (file got corrupted) if using cheat can not connect to PvP. Even tho it happened only once I could read at the forum at the time it was a thing going sort of rampage, players getting items inserted in their inventory, getting softbanned by killing or getting hit (or getting killed) by other players, players invading or getting invaded by cheaters spamming every single spell at the same time and nonstop, etc.
You thinking cheaters are "normal players having fun with mods in a normal way", they are not and they have or find ways to go around these things.

DS3 doesnt use EAC.


So I am not sure what you're trying to say here?

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

lol DS3 doesnt have EAC.
I now know why you dont like mods, because you have no idea how they work.

I dont like mods because in these games, aside from "skin mods", they destroy the game experience completely into something out of the scope.
I do play mods at Falllout 4 and other games but I dont use at souls games.
And there is sometimes complaints of similar stuff happening at ER too so "who really dont know" is you, or these people are lying and getting invaded while they themselves also use mods.

How does ME using mods impact your game experience?

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

This is not an mmo, no matter how many times you call it one.

And I said it is not an MMO, but as in an MMO where players can hurt, kill and loot other players, it is core mechanic, asking to remove it or removing it is taking out of the experience and dumbing down the game to a walk/grind fest with way toned down difficulty as it also allow for a lot of other stuff I mentioned (no enemies scale up, no players scale down, no invasions, nothing and AI is dumb to deal with 2 or more players).

Huh?

Invaders do not loot anything in this game so why are you bringing this up? lmao

If you're litterally looting players then you're stealing theyr ♥♥♥♥ which is infact cheating if that happens cause thats nto a core mechanic at all

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by StabMasterOG:

Anyone tryna play?

No thanks!

Originally posted by Literally everyone else:

blah blah blah

Stay on topic.

[Grand Poobah of Bees]

ITT: We use buzzwords to whine about seamless coop to farm Jesters.

[HeUsedStun]

Why do some individuals insist that using seamless co-op is cheating? Who are they to make such claims? It's a single-player game that can be played offline. It's your game that you purchased for $60, you're entitled to play it however you like.
Nobody can claim you for "cheating" till the developer says so.
I suppose those who claim seamless co-op is cheating have never ventured outside. Just a wild guess.

[DELAMAIN]

Seamless - cheating. side programm to avoid game design and get advantage. = BAN

[Dragonirian]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Seamless - cheating. side programm to avoid game design and get advantage. = BAN

go ahead and ban me from Fromsoft servers, dont use them anyway lol

Have fun WAITING starting June 21st