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The Judge Feb 6, 2024 @ 12:40am
Outer gods, greater will
So, i don't think Outer gods exist in Elden Ring, not a single event confirms the existence of these gods, their stories are told through their followers, for example, the greater will doesn't show up in the game, it "sends" the Elden Beast, but all of this could be a wrong interpretation of it's appearance in the Lands Between, same thing with the Rot god, Formless mother, the Deathbird god, and etc... Their existence is only told by their followers and those afflicted. After all, all of these gods require faith of their followers to "use" their incantations, so it could be a religion.
The main reason tho, this theory, or idea, that outer gods do not exist in the ER universe appeared in my head is the way George R.R. Martin portrayed gods in his game of thrones books, there ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7bqkVpfJBw ), not real beings, but a religion that has their own rituals, rules, laws, and etc...
And their religion, grants them powers that they themselves associate with their gods. For example, Lord of lights magic that Melissandra uses, is clearly, just blood magic. (there was an interview with George R.R. Martin on this, couldn't find it)
So in that context, Outer Gods make sense as figments of imagination, and could explain all the discrepancies in their respective lore sections, because their "will" is not written, rather is interpreted and told by their followers, 2 Fingers communicate with the "Greater will" from the "universe", Kindred of Rot communicate with their god thru sages like Gowry, Formless mother only communicates thru Mohg and his bloodboon ritual, Frenzied Flame through Shabriri (madman) and lore on other gods is non-conclusive.
The Frenzied Flame god in my understanding, could be something like a primordial power, chaos, as described in the game (like the primeevil currents that Lusat and Azur looked into), is channeled through the 3 fingers (so 3 fingers giving you the power to burn down the whole world is in the same way that Lusat and Azur give you their interpretations or spells of what they saw in the primeevil currents).
Without the player furthering certain "gods" agenda, and accepting their religion, we don't see any of their agents act upon the world, Shabriri in Yura's body stays on top of the mountains spouting nonsense to anyone who would listen, Kindreds of Rot pray for Malenia, or Millicent to take the "form" of the Goddess of Rot, Mohg sits and waits in his mausoleum for his Formless Mother for thousands of years to begin his Dynasty.
The world has been this way for thousands of years too, the followers of these "gods" do nothing that could affect the world, before a Tarnished player sharing their ideals shows up.
This is all just my personal theory on why none of the Outer Gods exist, but i would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
You could say that I'm a proud atheist in the Lands between
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TieDyeShyGuy Feb 6, 2024 @ 9:53am 
Considering lore from a land known as Things Betwixt
This is probably the best proof that Elden Ring truly is
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Urist Microcline Feb 6, 2024 @ 10:51am 
The Golden Order is just a real life feudal system except the King/Queen is actually chosen by a god. The Elden Beast (which IS the Elden Ring) is 1 step above the King/Queen and the actual authority of the Greater Will. The Fingers are radio towers that tune in to Greater Will FM 102.3 - The Faith and the Finger Readers translate that into speech for the plebs.

Did you notice the many Erdtrees in the Elden Beast fight? This isn't the only world the Greater World controls, not even close. Dude holds TONS of land across the universe so it's not surprising that it doesn't personally show up to what is essentially a ruined ghetto.

The Greater Will can control the laws of physics and broader concepts like death, it's what the Elden Ring does, so I'd call that powerful enough to be a god. The whole story of "mending the Elden Ring" (assuming you do it proper) is returning "The Rune of Death" to the Elden Ring so you can fix it because that piece is missing. You "fix" the world by letting things die again because they can't without that rune back in the ring. That's also the in-universe explanation for why things respawn.

Marika is a total ♥♥♥♥♥ btw. She had a sweet system going on where souls would go back to the Erdtree when they die and be reborn, the light of the tree could mend wounds and magic dew constantly dropped down with healing properties but she had to be like,

"Nah, suffering is cool. I'm divorcing you my beloved Husband, taking away your magic powers, exiling you and your army oh and btw I have 2 bodies where 1 is a man and I've been cheating on you. He's gonna break up with his wife and then I'm gonna ♥♥♥♥ myself! Anyways, gonna go break the laws of physics now so the world can suffer more!"

I'm not surprised the Greater Will looks at that and goes, "...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots. Not worth sending more resources to THAT world."
MrButtermancer Feb 6, 2024 @ 5:41pm 
Atheism is... bordering on comically untenable in a setting where you are literally talking to and sometimes fighting gods.

"It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the Disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows."

-Terry Pratchett, The Color of Magic.
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Date Posted: Feb 6, 2024 @ 12:40am
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