Ok for real, what is wrong with this parry window?

[Syro System]

Malenia has a simple attack of swinging her sword from her right (your left) side.
It's the most basic, bog standard sword swing imaginable, but every single time she uses it, the parry window has a different timing so you almost always end up missing it.
Wtf?
Also waterfowl can go die in a fire, that's an attack that belongs in Sekiro.

[Mecharion]

She jumps for waterfowl - ice pod - gg

[Senki]

https://youtu.be/97CJRfHmvqY

as for the parry idk I don't use parries in souls games

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Mecharion:

She jumps for waterfowl - ice pod - gg

Only works once. status resistances goes up each time a boss in inflicted with one of them.

[Sonnenbank]

if you look close Malenia has 2 different simple diagonal slashes
and one is turbo fast and can almost not be parried on reaction time.

But in general her parry windows are all over the place and every attack has a different parry window that has no connection to what you see on screen.

They made it that way so that you have to learn and memorize timings for each attack
id say overall parrying her is not worth it

[Syro System]

Originally posted by csand:

Originally posted by Syro System:

Only works once. status resistances goes up each time a boss in inflicted with one of them.

I don't think that's true

I use chilling mist and blood flame blade to beat her and both proc bleed/frost regularly

Her lowest status resistances are frostbite and bleed. They still increase to above what an ice pot can inflict.

[2001 Space Oddity]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Originally posted by csand:

I don't think that's true

I use chilling mist and blood flame blade to beat her and both proc bleed/frost regularly

Her lowest status resistances are frostbite and bleed. They still increase to above what an ice pot can inflict.

According to the wiki her resistances do not increase, though it could be wrong. Either way I've frostbitten her multiple times with a single pot so if it does increase it's not by much.

[SpottedHare]

Its been know for a long time that soft use this terribly deigned animation setup system, which is prone to weird things happening as they also try and layer animation together to make things look smother but only adds more even more jank. Normally this only get brought up with PVP, your parry are failing as it less about a strict window of time from inputs but how these two animation line up and the attack animation hits the magic box that is your parry.

[Syro System]

Originally posted by SpottedHare:

Its been know for a long time that soft use this terribly deigned animation setup system, which is prone to weird things happening as they also try and layer animation together to make things look smother but only adds more even more jank. Normally this only get brought up with PVP, your parry are failing as it less about a strict window of time from inputs but how these two animation line up and the attack animation hits the magic box that is your parry.

Sekiro didn't have this problem. Whenever I played it the parry window on attacks matched the visuals of said attack.

[Saph]

Frost pots insta proc on her twice, at least solo. Ashes won't affect that at all so having pots on your bar for a Mimic Tear can significantly boost your chances of victory. Tiche, Dung eater and if you can keep the agro, Latena are all solid options too.

The reason I mention ashes is because unlike players, they don't give the boss turbo HP which for Malenia specifically is a very bad idea unless both/all three of you are great at dodging Waterfowl and Aeonia.

The pots give you two free get out of jail free cards and then you can just toss one at her to maintain build-up for if she decides to do it three times. But she really shouldn't be living long enough to do that if you're being aggressive. Be aggressive.

It's also fairly easy to avoid the whole attack, just sprint away from the first big burst, roll into the 2nd and 3rd then roll out to avoid the final hits. If you mess up reading the first part, just roll through half the hits, stay calm and do the last three steps. You should live it very comfortably, even on NG+7 if your reductions aren't in the negative.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Originally posted by SpottedHare:

Its been know for a long time that soft use this terribly deigned animation setup system, which is prone to weird things happening as they also try and layer animation together to make things look smother but only adds more even more jank. Normally this only get brought up with PVP, your parry are failing as it less about a strict window of time from inputs but how these two animation line up and the attack animation hits the magic box that is your parry.

Sekiro didn't have this problem. Whenever I played it the parry window on attacks matched the visuals of said attack.

Because Sekiro parry window is always 0.5s and the most lenient thing in the game.
As Sonnenbank explained her attacks each have a different window for the same "type of visual cue" but the visualç cue is slightly different once you learn, also she needs to be parried 3x to be countered once (if I remember it correctly) meaning she was meant to be harder for parry users as intended.
"BUT BUT!!!! How they force a player to play a different playstyle or be punished for playing a certain playstyle making it far harder than it needs to be???"
Demon of hatred at Sekiro for deflect
Artorias at DS1 for shield users (that abuse of it)
Gael and Friede that "playing taking your time" may cost you the fight
It is not the first time From make some boss or some bosses in the game that forces the player to play "at least" slightly different or being forced to have a harder time if player dont adapt to it changing the playstyle.

[brownie689]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Malenia has a simple attack of swinging her sword from her right (your left) side.
It's the most basic, bog standard sword swing imaginable, but every single time she uses it, the parry window has a different timing so you almost always end up missing it.
Wtf?
Also waterfowl can go die in a fire, that's an attack that belongs in Sekiro.

You could give up on trying to parry and just dodge or block her attacks. I don't think many people waste time trying to parry in this game. Dodging is way more reliable.

[buttchin]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Malenia has a simple attack of swinging her sword from her right (your left) side.
It's the most basic, bog standard sword swing imaginable, but every single time she uses it, the parry window has a different timing so you almost always end up missing it.
Wtf?
Also waterfowl can go die in a fire, that's an attack that belongs in Sekiro.

Waterflow is easy but need some practice, try this
When she jump in and pose, thats your indication, run/roll and evade her first attack, roll into her on her second attack, then stay where your are and either spam roll or move back slowly with lockon

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by buttchin:

Originally posted by Syro System:

Malenia has a simple attack of swinging her sword from her right (your left) side.
It's the most basic, bog standard sword swing imaginable, but every single time she uses it, the parry window has a different timing so you almost always end up missing it.
Wtf?
Also waterfowl can go die in a fire, that's an attack that belongs in Sekiro.

Waterflow is easy but need some practice, try this
When she jump in and pose, thats your indication, run/roll and evade her first attack, roll into her on her second attack, then stay where your are and either spam roll or move back slowly with lockon

Roll into 1st wave, just run away if you are already at a "fair" distance (the waterfowl waves close the gap quite fast from quite a long distance).
Roll into 2nd wave
Roll into 3rd wave or backward diagonal right away from 3rd wave