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I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:07am
Am I the only person who finds Starscourge Radahn...
...to be even harder than Melania?

To be fair I don't summon for boss fights other than my own Spirit Ashes, and I sort of got the feeling the first playthrough, dying to him over forty times (and yes, I had 40 Vigor at that point), that he wasn't meant to be fought alone.

He wasn't quite the insanely stupid brick wall that Malekith was, but he came awfully close in the end.
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potato Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:09am 
if he's harder than malenia for you then you're probably underleveled
Zogtar Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:15am 
If you're not summoning and if you're at a proper level... yes, it's understandable for him to be the harder fight.

His fight is meant for you to summon 4-5 of the available npc tarnished

Everyone's different, and difficulty is subjective.
Last edited by Zogtar; Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:16am
Sonnenbank Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
...to be even harder than Melania?

To be fair I don't summon for boss fights other than my own Spirit Ashes,

lol

Radahn is hard if you fight him the correct level.
Most people however fight him with +9 Somber and claim he is easy because he dies in 4 hits....
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by potato:
if he's harder than malenia for you then you're probably underleveled

I was 76 +12 for Radahn and 175 +25 for Malenia in my last playthrough, with 40 Vigor for Radahn and 60 for Malenia. I didn't have much trouble learning how to evade Waterfowl, but I struggled hard to dodge Radahns arrows and close the distance, not to mention his slam and meteor rain.

Still Malekith killed me more in the end, and I don't know if I'm just bad at dodging flips and beams, or if he really just is that ridiculous of a fight. Malenia has NOTHING on Malekith as far as I'm concerned.
Last edited by I Am Klaus; Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:18am
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by Zogtar:
His fight is meant for you to summon 4-5 of the available npc tarnished

That's probably it then. I always assumed that every single boss in the Soul series was balanced around the player fighting them alone. The only exception I can remember up until now is Ornstein and Smough; that was the only time I got the impression that it was meant to by fought by more than just the host...
Sonnenbank Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
Originally posted by Zogtar:
His fight is meant for you to summon 4-5 of the available npc tarnished

That's probably it then. I always assumed that every single boss in the Soul series was balanced around the player fighting them alone. The only exception I can remember up until now is Ornstein and Smough; that was the only time I got the impression that it was meant to by fought by more than just the host...

Bosses are not balanced around spirit ashes yet you do use them ?
Boss AI cant handle more than 1 enemy
you can just pin pall aggro between you and summon with every boss in the game
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by Sonnenbank:
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:

That's probably it then. I always assumed that every single boss in the Soul series was balanced around the player fighting them alone. The only exception I can remember up until now is Ornstein and Smough; that was the only time I got the impression that it was meant to by fought by more than just the host...

Bosses are not balanced around spirit ashes yet you do use them ?
Boss AI cant handle more than 1 enemy
you can just pin pall aggro between you and summon with every boss in the game

If the game is not balanced around an intended mechanic then why is said mechanic even in the game?
Despiser Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Bosses are not balanced around spirit ashes yet you do use them ?
Boss AI cant handle more than 1 enemy
you can just pin pall aggro between you and summon with every boss in the game

If the game is not balanced around an intended mechanic then why is said mechanic even in the game?

Balance is a subjective term. The said mechanic and summons sub for the lacking difficulty slider. You have to keep those 5 summons alive as much as possible and get in a few hits here and there in the process.
Dollmaker Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:24pm 
If i had to guess, you simply dont know his moveset, if you mostly fought him using the summons and such, you very likely dont know how to deal with him on your own.

I can relate having started facing him on my own as well and hes a struggle cause im not that familiar with his moveset compared to endgame bosses.
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:28pm 
Originally posted by Despiser:
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:

If the game is not balanced around an intended mechanic then why is said mechanic even in the game?

Balance is a subjective term. The said mechanic and summons sub for the lacking difficulty slider. You have to keep those 5 summons alive as much as possible and get in a few hits here and there in the process.

Regardless of how feel about Spirit Ash usage, I still find Radahn and Malekith give me more problems than Malenia does. Waterfowl didn't take me that long to figure out, and it can even be outright blocked and ignored with certain setups, but the flippy blade beams and pancakes Maliketh flings about like a crack addict are just beyond my ability to process and react to appropriately or in time.
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:31pm 
I will admit though that my accuracy needs work, as I tend to use manual aim and avoid lock-on against larger targets. I don't like the camera being pinned against the wall.
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Bosses are not balanced around spirit ashes yet you do use them ?
Boss AI cant handle more than 1 enemy
you can just pin pall aggro between you and summon with every boss in the game

If the game is not balanced around an intended mechanic then why is said mechanic even in the game?
Spirit Ashes are in the game so that bad people who've never played a Souls game before can win without needing to get better. It worked, this game sold way more copies than Dark Souls (and then also lost those tourists way faster than Dark Souls ever did).
Despiser Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
I will admit though that my accuracy needs work, as I tend to use manual aim and avoid lock-on against larger targets. I don't like the camera being pinned against the wall.

That won't be a problem with radahn. Arena is 2nd only to fire giant. The latter was my easiest boss. My hardest was juno hoslow. I could not get him off my back even for a second. I finally killed him by pinning him against a wall with the rock blaster spell.
I Am Klaus Dec 19, 2023 @ 12:53pm 
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:

If the game is not balanced around an intended mechanic then why is said mechanic even in the game?
Spirit Ashes are in the game so that bad people who've never played a Souls game before can win without needing to get better. It worked, this game sold way more copies than Dark Souls (and then also lost those tourists way faster than Dark Souls ever did).

Are you saying that me using Mimic's Tear for these fights invalidates them?
Rando the Crit Clown Dec 19, 2023 @ 1:01pm 
Originally posted by <insert Zeeky Boogy Doog here>:
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
Spirit Ashes are in the game so that bad people who've never played a Souls game before can win without needing to get better. It worked, this game sold way more copies than Dark Souls (and then also lost those tourists way faster than Dark Souls ever did).

Are you saying that me using Mimic's Tear for these fights invalidates them?
You can do whatever you want, I don't care. But Spirit Ashes are clearly meant to be the easy mode of the game.
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