Flame Cleanse Me, the unfortunate must have

[Dollmaker]

Yeah, its cause of the boluses, will never understand why Fromsoft decided to make Rot related stuff such a massive pain to farm, rather than just allowing us to buy it like most other items.

This is even dumber considering theres weapons with innate Rot.

Its just kinda annoying that the only reliable way to cure Rot is through this incant, cause the alternatives are REALLY obnoxious farm, or cheating the items.

[Despiser]

Messaggio originale di Toast:

Messaggio originale di Yal:

Levelling faith isn't necessary, the +5 faith talisman is available right at the start of Liurnia (breakable floor in the ruins with the shortcut warp right at the shoreline, north of the merchant) so you could always pop it on when preparing for a swamp. Or activate Godricks' Great Rune for +5 to all stats until death, or using the Grafted Blade Greatsword's weapon art for a temporary +5 to all stats. (Or use a physique with the Faith-Knot Crystal Tear for a +10 boost, but 3 minutes is a little short to get through an entire swamp...)

Fun fact, you can clear Goldmask's questline without putting a single point into Intelligence regardless of your class, you can reach the INT threshold just by stacking enough stat buffs.

Losing a talisman slot is worse than losing the levels for faith, great runes are expensive unless you play multiplayer regularly (and they also only work in singleplayer), physicks are single-use and you might want to save it for something else, and Grafted Blade is heavy and has a higher strength requirement than Flame Cleanse Me has for faith. Grafted Blade's probably the best alternative for a strength build, but it's still a pretty high cost in space on a build compared to two consumables.

I agree, I would rather use the talisman slot for something better, but the level requirement for cleanse me is very low.

[Forest]

It's just 12 faith.... That's really not much of a investment on any character and at 12 faith you also get access to bestial vitality and constitution and the basic fortification spells. Like having access to stuff that gets rid of the most common used statues in pvp (rot, bleed, and frost) and gives you 35% absorption to e element in pve for a little investment into faith and mind is helluva lot better than spending hours farming for low chance items to only be able to make like 4 or 5 of the consumables.

Maybe if the ingredients used to make the consumables where easier to get if not have the items sold out right in unlimited quantity like in Dark Souls games then yeah you could use those few stat points else where. But even then the stuff isn't a must have.