Remove EAC

[Mayasura]

This game is full of cheaters and twinks anyway, only normal players suffer. This game runs horrifically.

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

There are cheaters in this game but without EAC it would be much worse.
Just take Dark Souls series as example.

Twinks are easily created by legitimate means so it is not cheating problem
but people being toxic problem.

And clearly developers don't mind twinking because
they would do something about it after all these games.

[Zogtar]

Can confirm what Sorpitron says. The original dark souls on pc was a hack-fest, invaders with infinite health and single hit kills were rampant.

Removing EAC would make things much much worse.

[potato]

that ain't gonna happen and if your game runs "horrifically" it has nothing to do with eac

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by potato:

that ain't gonna happen and if your game runs "horrifically" it has nothing to do with eac

It really does have an impact on my 1% lows, just as others have reported, so I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying EAC has nothing to do with performance. That's just untrue

OP you can "remove" EAC if you bypass it, but you disable online play in the process. Technically you're only disabling PvP since there's a mod that allows you to enjoy the multiplayer of this absolutely not e-sport game

[potato]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

It really does have an impact on my 1% lows, just as others have reported, so I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying EAC has nothing to do with performance. That's just untrue

i said it has nothing to do with it running "horrifically", not that it has absolutely zero impact

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by Zogtar:

Can confirm what Sorpitron says. The original dark souls on pc was a hack-fest, invaders with infinite health and single hit kills were rampant.

Removing EAC would make things much much worse.

The original DS had a community-made program called PvP Watchdog which allowed you to kick and block obvious cheaters, but it fails to deal with memory hacks. EAC also fails to deal with memory hacks. Both have been cracked at some point and the type of person EAC is meant to deal with has no issue finding the workaround.

So at this point, it's become less useful than when the game first launched. I guarantee the proportion of cheaters to legit players has increased substantially since then, as well, which is keeping with tradition of the souls games. I wouldn't recommend outright removal without recommending an adequate replacement, however, so I can't agree with OP, despite the performance lost.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by potato:

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

It really does have an impact on my 1% lows, just as others have reported, so I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying EAC has nothing to do with performance. That's just untrue

i said it has nothing to do with it running "horrifically", not that it has absolutely zero impact

That is the same thing

[Zogtar]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

Originally posted by Zogtar:

Can confirm what Sorpitron says. The original dark souls on pc was a hack-fest, invaders with infinite health and single hit kills were rampant.

Removing EAC would make things much much worse.

The original DS had a community-made program called PvP Watchdog which allowed you to kick and block obvious cheaters, but it fails to deal with memory hacks. EAC also fails to deal with memory hacks. Both have been cracked at some point and the type of person EAC is meant to deal with has no issue finding the workaround.

So at this point, it's become less useful than when the game first launched. I guarantee the proportion of cheaters to legit players has increased substantially since then, as well, which is keeping with tradition of the souls games. I wouldn't recommend outright removal without recommending an adequate replacement, however, so I can't agree with OP, despite the performance lost.

Sure, but they'd have to make their own in-house anti-cheat or figure out how to lock the player out of scripting through their API.

[potato]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

That is the same thing

no, that is not the same thing at all, words have meanings and definitions

trivial impact on performance =/= horrific

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by potato:

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

That is the same thing

no, that is not the same thing at all, words have meanings and definitions

trivial impact on performance =/= horrific

I'm not willing to argue on something this inconsequential, sorry

Originally posted by Zogtar:

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

The original DS had a community-made program called PvP Watchdog which allowed you to kick and block obvious cheaters, but it fails to deal with memory hacks. EAC also fails to deal with memory hacks. Both have been cracked at some point and the type of person EAC is meant to deal with has no issue finding the workaround.

So at this point, it's become less useful than when the game first launched. I guarantee the proportion of cheaters to legit players has increased substantially since then, as well, which is keeping with tradition of the souls games. I wouldn't recommend outright removal without recommending an adequate replacement, however, so I can't agree with OP, despite the performance lost.

Sure, but they'd have to make their own in-house anti-cheat or figure out how to lock the player out of scripting through their API.

I agree. It's a big ask to remove EAC in any case, and I would go so far as to call it unrealistic at this stage to replace it.

[Zogtar]

Honestly, since EPIC/Tencent own EAC... I see a transition happening a few years down the line.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by Zogtar:

Honestly, since EPIC/Tencent own EAC... I see a transition happening a few years down the line.

Retroactive? No I can't see that. For future releases? Yes

[M.T. Fish]

Originally posted by Sc0rpiTr0n:

There are cheaters in this game but without EAC it would be much worse.
Just take Dark Souls series as example.

Twinks are easily created by legitimate means so it is not cheating problem
but people being toxic problem.

And clearly developers don't mind twinking because
they would do something about it after all these games.

Didn't DS3 have a system that took weapon upgrades into account alongside player level? I seem to remember that being a thing when I was trying to trade with a dude for a Cathedral Greatsword.

[Mayasura]

Originally posted by potato:

that ain't gonna happen and if your game runs "horrifically" it has nothing to do with eac

This is wrong, if you think this you have no idea how EAC works or what it does to the game. It is the cause of most of the online instability as well as low performance seen in the game. From crashes to dropped connections to freezes or full desynchs.

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

Originally posted by MagnificentTunaFish:

Originally posted by Sc0rpiTr0n:

There are cheaters in this game but without EAC it would be much worse.
Just take Dark Souls series as example.

Twinks are easily created by legitimate means so it is not cheating problem
but people being toxic problem.

And clearly developers don't mind twinking because
they would do something about it after all these games.

Didn't DS3 have a system that took weapon upgrades into account alongside player level? I seem to remember that being a thing when I was trying to trade with a dude for a Cathedral Greatsword.

Yes and Elden Ring have same thing. Does not prevent twinking.

You can still have end game weapons at low levels and keep weapon upgrade level low.
Not to mention end game rings/talismans and flasks upgraded to maximum.

And you can be matched with someone who just started the game.