worst PVE weapon?

[cybercybercybercyber4]

for that moonveil vs mirrors thread i thought it would be appropriate to suggest a manly weapon, but after some digging it turned out i have no clue which one is the manliest.
There probably isnt a definitive answer, so it comes down to opinion.

Please make your suggestion for what you think is the worst PVE weapon.

just a few rules, which are unfortunately neccessary:

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-being outclassed doesnt make a weapon the worst. The clawmark seal might be outclassed in every way by other seals but the ability to cast incantations on its own already makes it better than lots of other weapons.

-being only obtainable in the very late game makes a weapon quite useless for PVE, sure, but that doesnt make the weapon bad.

-no shields, no barehands (yes they are theoretically weapons, but they dont count)

-most weapons can be infused with ashes of war, in that case always the best possible infused AOW has to be taken into acount, not the basic AOW.

-treat it as if the player is locked onto the weapon, as if he cannot change it mid battle. So its not a utility tool to just be used in certain situations.

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my pick: carian knights sword.

[The Icecream Snowman]

Even since the days of Dark Souls 1 I've used a torch as an effective weapon against slimes, who are resistant to all physical damage but get messed up by fire.

So the worst weapon in the game is a good way to defeat the lest threatening enemy in the game.

And let's not forget that the torch is, in fact, a torch: it lets you see in dark places.


What about the Envoy's Greathorn? It's huge, slow and heavy, deals split damage and many enemies resist holy. It's damage is also pretty low and it's found basically right at the end of the game.

The skill is a powerful but expensive spell. The bubble moves slowly but can deal significant damage if it hits (i.e. the target isn't moving).

[doinkguy]

Great stars is a manly weapon. Big spikes and unconventional build setup (STR/ARC), big bonks and big bleeds. Great hammers in general are just pretty macho and underrated.

Edit: just realized the question isn't actually what's manly, but rather what sucks the most. Definitely the basic torch. It's slow and only useful for lighting up caves.

[Greywander]

The Frenzied Flame Seal is pretty bad. Though as you say, just being able to use incantations already puts it above some other weapons. You also say simply being outclassed doesn't count, though in that case I'm not sure what metric you're using.

I think the actual "worst" weapon is going to be something that doesn't allow you to infuse an ash of war, and for which the skill is not a good fit for the weapon. My knowledge of weapons isn't deep enough to come up with a good answer here, though.

[Sonnenbank]

Well i can name a few terrible weapons that a real "man" can make a heroic playthrough with.

Winner:
Ivory Sickle

Cannot be buffed , ash of war cant be changed, has 1.0 crit factor despite being a dagger that has 1.10 default crit factor.
is just a normal dagger but worse and no option to customize it

contestants

1. Nial Prosthesis
This weapon is garbage . All it has going is 30 Poise damage on charged R2
Weapon art takes forever and doesnt even do good damage... weapon range is terrible , weapon speed is average , weapon damage is mediocre, weapon scaling is mediocre
can not be infused and ash of war cant be changed

2. A normal short Spear
this weapon is fast , but does no damage so its basically only a bleed/frost status proc tool.
If you dont use bleed/frost on this you have a terrible weapon.
however with your rule set you can just go double seppuku and its a killer boss weapon
to use 2 short spears

Not really the worst weapons but exceptionally bad nevertheless:

3.) Crystal Sword
Just a straight Sword with worse Weapon Art and worse scaling
can not be infused, weapon art cant be changed

4.) Battle Hammer
Slow , Mediocre Damage , Mediocre range , Best Poise breaker in the game in theory but what is 43 poise damage good for when 40 poise does exactly the same ?
Bosses have 80,100,110,120 poise so 43 over 40 is worth zero in practice

[cybercybercybercyber4]

Цитата допису doinkguy:

Edit: just realized the question isn't actually what's manly, but rather what sucks the most. Definitely the basic torch. It's slow and only useful for lighting up caves.

prevailing despite the odds being stacked against you is what i consider manly.

aside from my oversight with the torches , the answers seem to be as diverse as i anticipated.
As OP i obviously read all comments and check the suggestions, but i have nothing of value to add.

[Forest]

It's the weather straight sword. No there is no debate this was decided like soon as the game launched that it is single handedly the worst weapon in the game in PvE and PvP.

[5chneemensch]

Torches are good and everyone claiming otherwise have no idea, fast heavies and good stance damage. You have a sleep, holy, and magic/frost torch of which all are good. Basic torch is... basic and outclassed by beast and steelwire torch.

The Carian Grandeur sword is pretty bad. Because it has terrible scaling (below 100 even), so any sword infused with magic and Carian Grandeur deals more damage. And the block attack is just awful because you're still blocking with a weapon.

Celebrants Sickle and Torchpole have no redeeming quality.

[Sonnenbank]

Цитата допису Forest:

It's the weather straight sword. No there is no debate this was decided like soon as the game launched that it is single handedly the worst weapon in the game in PvE and PvP.

Lol
double weathered straight sword with fire and frost combo is actually
better than at least 50% of the other weapons in the game.


Ivory Sickle vs weather straight sword

weather straight sword: more damage , more range , can inflict status procs , ash of war can be changed , can be buffed with greases, has 30 Poise damage L2,R2

not even close >-<

[Forest]

Цитата допису Sonnenbank:

Цитата допису Forest:

It's the weather straight sword. No there is no debate this was decided like soon as the game launched that it is single handedly the worst weapon in the game in PvE and PvP.

Lol
double weathered straight sword with fire and frost combo is actually
better than at least 50% of the other weapons in the game.


Ivory Sickle vs weather straight sword

weather straight sword: more damage , more range , can inflict status procs , ash of war can be changed , can be buffed with greases, has 30 Poise damage L2,R2

not even close >-<

"This weapon is good cause I use it so you're wrong!"

That is your argument. Good on you for using the worst weapon in the game, doesn't change the fact it's the worst weapon in the game.

[Zogtar]

I'm going to say the cipher pata are terrible. Range is awful, No poise break aside from ashe, ashe of war requires planning. Their saving grace is being weightless and useful against a few armored enemies.

People use them as an offhand weapon for faith casters, but even then there are much better choices.

[5chneemensch]

Цитата допису Forest:

Цитата допису Sonnenbank:

Lol
double weathered straight sword with fire and frost combo is actually
better than at least 50% of the other weapons in the game.


Ivory Sickle vs weather straight sword

weather straight sword: more damage , more range , can inflict status procs , ash of war can be changed , can be buffed with greases, has 30 Poise damage L2,R2

not even close >-<

"This weapon is good cause I use it so you're wrong!"

That is your argument. Good on you for using the worst weapon in the game, doesn't change the fact it's the worst weapon in the game.

You are objectively wrong. Stance WA makes it already "good". Not counting the objectively worse weapons as mentioned before.

[Honk1]

I just thought of something that might be worse than all the bad weapons mentioned so far, maybe including torches... a crossbow. Soldier's Crossbow seems to be the worst - 240 base damage, no scaling whatsoever. A basic torch, on the other hand, has 132 physical + 237 fire damage and C/D Scaling for Str/ Dex at +25. Granted, you can use status effect bolts, but if you run into something that's immune to status effects, my guess is that the fight is going to be even more miserable than with a torch.

[cybercybercybercyber4]

the thing with crossbows is that not having a scaling stat means you actually put those points into endurance, so you are fully armored much faster and you have tons of hp/stamina, while shooting the crossbow doesnt take away your stamina and distance grants some level of additional safety.

so while the damage is lackluster, your actual survivability is quite high.
Crossbows suck against red phantoms though, possibly the worst weapon against them.

[The Icecream Snowman]

Has anyone ever used the Celebrant's Rib Rake? It takes about 100 years to farm one and it's the worst spear in the game.

Here's the thing with spears...
Spear + Greatshield = super duper easy mode.
Spear - Greatshield = lol ded

So the worst weapon of a niche class is a genuinely poor offering.

However, the Ivory Sickle is a good shout: everything about it is bad, it has no redeeming features. Poor damage, can't be infused or buffed, can't change the ashes. It's as effective as the albinaurics who use it.

[Velber]

Цитата допису cybercybercybercyber4:

Цитата допису Honk1:

My guess is that you don't count torches because that would be a little cheap,

i do count torches. I forgot they cant be infused.
And you might have just ended this thread as i dont expect anything to be weaker.

RIP thread.

the normal torch then, with sentinels torch being second, though sentinels torch has an actual use later on...