Keeping Melina Alive but still being Elden Lord

[Velvet Acid Eschaton]

I know you can become the lord of Frenzy, thusly sparing Melina. But like... feels bad man, on account of how I essentially melt everything and everyone together.

I did something a little different. But I just wanted some one's opinion.

I journeyed to find the frenzied Fingers and Melina got pissed off. She told me that babies and future generations should continue to exists; and therefore frenzied flame bad. But I went ahead and inherited the curse of the Frenzied flame anyway.

Melina runs away.

Then I used the curse of the frenzied flame to burn the erd tree.

Melina is spared from sacrificing herself to this end, I found an alternate way of burning the tree without burning her life away.

I complete Millicent's quest line, acquiring the curse ridding needle.

I use the needle to rid myself of the frenzied flame curse.

I become elden lord.

Melina should still be alive, although alittle butt hurt. Hopefully the dlc explores this ending abit more.

[MULTIPASS]

Melina doesn't mind being burned alive (is she even alive?), Shabriri is just messing with your head to trick you into burning EVERYTHING alive.

[fauxpas]

Depends, are burnt and bodiless spirits "alive"? ... I personally consider her alive enough.

[MULTIPASS]

Shabriri is like "spare the maiden" but ask yourself, does Shabriri care about sparing maidens? Is Melina going to be "spared" when the Frenzied Flame churns reality into an acid disco inferno?

[C1REX]

Do everything for the Frenzy ending and after burning the tree revert your frenzy marking. Melina should be saved.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Do everything for the Frenzy ending and after burning the tree revert your frenzy marking. Melina should be saved.

Saved at the cost of completely invalidating her life's purpose and spitting upon her honor.

I might not care nor agree with the Asian concepts of suicide equating to duty and honor, but that is one of the reasons she gets so upset at you releasing the Frenzy Flame, the other being the fact that Miq's needle is shown to not be perfect.

[Magic A. I.]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Saved at the cost of completely invalidating her life's purpose and spitting upon her honor.

Elden Lord surely knows better, and a true samurai would see it that way. If narrator is to be believed, then she's just a person with a martyr complex, there's nothing uniquely Asian about it.

Personally, I think that all ER characters are patients in a mental asylum and we play in the world of their delusions. That way, Melina is a suicidal pyromaniac and in the "real" world we were supposed to get her matches.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Magic A. I.:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Saved at the cost of completely invalidating her life's purpose and spitting upon her honor.

Elden Lord surely knows better, and a true samurai would see it that way. If narrator is to be believed, then she's just a person with a martyr complex, there's nothing uniquely Asian about it.

Personally, I think that all ER characters are patients in a mental asylum and we play in the world of their delusions. That way, Melina is a suicidal pyromaniac and in the "real" world we were supposed to get her matches.

You aren't Elden Lord at the time, and even if you don't want to acknowledge the Asian influence the fact that Miq's needle is shown to not be a perfect solution can't be ignored.

[Magic A. I.]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

You aren't Elden Lord at the time,

Time is a flat circle, my dude.

Originally posted by fauxpas:

and even if you don't want to acknowledge the Asian influence the fact that Miq's needle is shown to not be a perfect solution can't be ignored.

People aren't perfect either. The needle might fail and the frenzy might come back, or a person who was never embraced by the Three Fingers might decide to end the world on their own. Needle's imperfection cant't be anything more than just another excuse.

Also, have you noticed how a "Frenzy" is inhibited by a "Needle"? It's almost as if the protagonist is getting anti-psychotic medication intravenously.

[fauxpas]

Risking the fate of the world on a needle that is proven to not work against outer gods long term is alot more than a "people aren't perfect excuse" ... it's choosing to become a ticking time bomb to save one person after that person tells you multiple times she doesn't want to risk everyone dying.


Also there is a huge power difference between a Tarnished going insane and trying to end the world and a literal God doing the same. One is a firecracker and the other is a nuke.

[Magic A. I.]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

proven to not work against outer gods long term

Originally posted by fauxpas:

choosing to become a ticking time bomb

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Also there is a huge power difference between

Originally posted by fauxpas:

One is a firecracker and the other is a nuke.

Can you support these statements with facts? That is with actual straight facts, not assumptions based on someone's story about the facts.

[mayhem523]

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

Melina doesn't mind being burned alive (is she even alive?), Shabriri is just messing with your head to trick you into burning EVERYTHING alive.

What a harruble thing to ponder...

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Magic A. I.:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

proven to not work against outer gods long term

Originally posted by fauxpas:

choosing to become a ticking time bomb

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Also there is a huge power difference between

Originally posted by fauxpas:

One is a firecracker and the other is a nuke.

Can you support these statements with facts? That is with actual straight facts, not assumptions based on someone's story about the facts.

If the needle worked the Queen of Rot would have been cured and her daughter's questline wouldn't have gone the way it did.


And the power difference between what the Frenzy Flame can accomplish vs what non divine characters can is self evident.

[Magic A. I.]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

wouldn't have

Originally posted by fauxpas:

self evident.

So you don't have any factual evidence then? Got it.

Bless you.

[rabureta]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by C1REX-PL:

Do everything for the Frenzy ending and after burning the tree revert your frenzy marking. Melina should be saved.

Saved at the cost of completely invalidating her life's purpose and spitting upon her honor.

I might not care nor agree with the Asian concepts of suicide equating to duty and honor, but that is one of the reasons she gets so upset at you releasing the Frenzy Flame, the other being the fact that Miq's needle is shown to not be perfect.

I call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on it being Melina's "purpose." Vyke's Maiden was going to do the same. Bernhal's actually did. It hardly requires being a spooky ghost girl.

Melina is in all likelihood the Gloam-Eyed Queen or an inheritor thereof, purposed to deliver Destined Death to gods, but she only awakens to it by being alive when Maliketh's seal is broken, which only occurs in the Frenzied Flame ending.

[Lavian]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Magic A. I.:

Can you support these statements with facts? That is with actual straight facts, not assumptions based on someone's story about the facts.

If the needle worked the Queen of Rot would have been cured and her daughter's questline wouldn't have gone the way it did.


And the power difference between what the Frenzy Flame can accomplish vs what non divine characters can is self evident.

This is like arguing that the larval tears should turn you into a husk of a human being, because that's what the rebirthing process does for literally everyone else.

You hold a great rune, however, that allows for a perfect rebirth.

Similarly, Miquella's Needle isn't just any Unalloyed Gold Needle. It's taken from Millicent and then modified with Malenia's bloom (or maybe it's exchanged for one from Malenia?). It's even visually distinct from the Unalloyed Gold Needle (it's not even gold).

Also worth noting, Millicent's needle that you return to Malenia to get Miquella's needle:

"There is something I must return to Malenia. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot."

Furthermore, it's noted that, specifically due to its unfinished state, it must be used "in the heart of the storm beyond time", meaning the conditions of its use are actually very specific. It's not just "shove this needle in and it works", which is how Millicent used the needle when given to her. It's not like you dragged her to the end of Farum Azula before applying the needle.