I think malenia is not really that hard of a boss.

[Nuriyokan]

(10/22/2023)
LATE 2023 AND SOMEONE WITH NO LIFE STILL DUG UP THIS POST XD CARRY ON BRO !




Have i beat her ? No not yet but i will say due to PC issues via windows update my PC
crashed 3 times while i had a full bar of health and she had 1hp left on phase 2 ! She was done for on my first 3 tries ! I technically saw her get hit and start talking in phase 2 thus i beat her 3 times in reality but the game crashed as well as windows . I beat her 3 times in a row the first 3 times on phase 2 .

However i fought her a few more times after that and her wild attacks just killed me over and over. " not so easy is it ? " Actually i think this boss is no different than your average boss considering i technically won 3 times . However here's what this post is really about and just a side note I'm NOT BRAGGING . Now for what i really wanted to say. I think malenia is known as the so called " hardest " boss in the series only because everyone is going about the fight the wrong way.

I've been gaming for years I'm 28 and started gaming at the age of 2. Most bosses that are really strong rely on a players lack of skill ... or at least that's how it was for some bosses . This series from its very beginning with Demon's Souls has always rewarded the player for their wits . Sure high skillset is possible and you technically can beat any boss at lvl 1 with no upgrades . However that is simply a personal challenge such as the play all Hidetaka Miyazaki titles in a row without being hit. Possible , personal challenge , but not how the devs intended.

I've messed around with game design on my own and can think about design from a creator's perspective . Think about how not only this game is designed but also how its previous games were designed. Once you think about that it will click . Malenia isn't really that hard. Its just that most players are choosing the harder route that is possible within the game.

I've come to the conclusion that malenia was never meant , nor designed for you to fight her straight up in a " fair fight " . Here's what i mean .... Her design : 3 moves that are a 1 hit K.O . Why on earth would the devs make a boss have a 1 hit K.O ? Well they must have paid attention to all the players over the years who make OP builds that just smack bosses in 1,or 2 hits . They must have said " well for those players we still want the boss to be a challenge ... how do we do that against players with OP builds ? " " Make the boss have 2 phases , Heal itself , give it 3 separate 1 hit K.O's , and while were at it make it poison the player , and give it moves that can stagger an endgame health bar " . Her design was something that was created to go up against a player that could end her life bar instantly or in just 2-3 hits . She wasn't designed for the average player who just blocks and attacks after learning patterns . She also heals not only when swinging at the air missing , but also on block , and she also heals after you have died as she is swinging .

She was meant to be that hard on purpose because this game and its previous titles besides sekiro have always rewarded players for their knowledge and wits . Anytime you can't beat a boss you can leave the area and " know well the lands between " as in explore , gain information then get something stronger via upgrades to beat said boss. In sekiro it was about GAINING KNOWLEDGE of enemy attacks . If you had the knowledge of enemy attacks memorized you could beat any boss while taking no damage.

Knowledge is king in these games. They knew many casual players would hop on the game and not read as most don't , and skip stuff making the game harder than it actually is. If you build correctly you can probably find over 20 -56 different ways via builds to kill malenia in just a few hits . I haven't explored all the possibilities but the game is supposed to be played more than once and malenia is optional . You get the full story after you beat the game like 5-6 times thus gaining full knowledge . I believe then you can go back and beat malenia after you have such knowledge.

I'm not saying you must do 5 runs ... I'm on run 1 blind and technically beat her 3 times in phases 2 but PC issues . She was meant to go up against an OP player who fully understood elden ring thus she's optional and not mandatory . You can't tell me this boss was designed for the average new player to the series who will most likely not read everything , nor spend time finding everything , nor build an OP build.

So many players online i see getting mad saying " They made her hard because they want us to suffer " " They made her like this just to make us mad " no they created her like that for a reason. Only players who have put in the effort to gain knowledge , or have put in effort to gain experience will be able to beat her without too much hassle . The lazy player who just wants to rush though the game will suffer against her . She's not that hard if you prepare for her just like you've done with every other boss in the game. yea you can just fight her regular but unlike every other boss in the series she was specifically designed for an OP player capable of killing her in just a few hits .

Fighting her normally with just a +25 weapon is the more difficult but possible approach for players who have beat the game multiple times and have a high skillset . She wasn't meant to be fought the way most of you are fighting her . Scarlet rot , Heals , 3 alt 1 hit K.O's , darts across the screen , staggers and endgame health bar , has two phases , large array of attacks , and still strong enough to kill multiple players at once . It makes since what type of player she was designed for.

Build something strong for her and you'll win ... or Do a challenge for bragging rights on youtube of just beating her at lvl 1 or with no upgrades if you wish however she isn't really that hard.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Цитата допису psheue:

Wait, so OP is using Spirit Ashes against her? Please tell me it's the Mimic Tear!

:Alligator:

Nah, He probally used Tiche cause mimmic aint good vs her since it got nerfed

[An Irate Walrus]

Цитата допису Argonaut:

Dude just go to his profile and read the comments people leave there. Apparently this thread isn't the only time he is absolutely insufferable and doesn't understand that his opinion =/= law.

That profile was an education.

This is the dude who thinks everyone around him is a moron, but fails to understand that the only common denominator in all his failures stares back at him from the mirror every morning.

[Freak4Leeks]

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

Get blocked Troll. Git Gud Scrub.

[psheue]

Цитата допису An Irate Walrus:

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

More assumptions get blocked

Behavior like this certainly convinces me that you're the intelligent, mature person in this thread.

Twenty-eight isn't what it was when I was that age, apparently.

And they're 28?

Цитата допису GamingWithSilvertail:

Цитата допису psheue:

Wait, so OP is using Spirit Ashes against her? Please tell me it's the Mimic Tear!

Nah, He probally used Tiche cause mimmic aint good vs her since it got nerfed

Oh, I forgot about that nerf. I accidentally killed her with the Mimic on my first run. After getting destroyed who knows how many times I decided to see how different the fight was with the Mimic. I spaced out for a second and she was dead.

[Sentient Entropy]

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

my example of how I technically won 3 times when first facing he

Technically you've won zero times, and a heap of excuses and insistences won't change that in the slightest.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

Цитата допису Freak4Leeks:

Still waiting, you claimed i couldn't read which i take great offence to, but you just couldn't type properly.

you can keep waiting I’m going to sleep . Then I’m going to wake up take a shower , brush my teeth , eat then I’m hopping back on my games . Mortal Kombat 12 will release and you’ll still be waiting .

On this day in the year 2062 you let me know if you’re still waiting.

Yes, go play DLC Kombat 12 after dlc kombat 11

[Sgt. Flaw]

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

Цитата допису Sgt. Flaw:

If you have to write an essay about why she isn't hard....She's probably F'n hard

Took me like 4 hours to finally beat her no summons...Granted I was only level 115 but I don't think leveling would've changed the fight much

I've been gaming for about 35 years..She's about the toughest boss I've fought

She’s challenging but not as hard as people think . You’re supposed to build for her fight. Their entire game is built around the player finding an alternative way to overcome the boss. It’s possible just using a default weapon but she’s meant for you to use a build capable of melting her health bar .

She's pretty F'n hard...

Like I said I beat her low level and I still say she's a hard boss even using summon's

[Nanaten]

Normal Elden Ring is easy, me and some friends had to mod it to increase difficulty, this is my first Souls-like, I am no gonna lie, I love Elden Ring, but it wasn't as hard as I thought

[Nuriyokan]

Цитата допису Nanaten:

Normal Elden Ring is easy, me and some friends had to mod it to increase difficulty, this is my first Souls-like, I am no gonna lie, I love Elden Ring, but it wasn't as hard as I thought

I think it still has its challenge but I learned the hard way in dark souls 1 ( my first game in the series ) went back afterwards.
Once I found out how it was designed differently than how traditional games are in the west, I then switched my mindset from it being hard to not hard at all .
Brain power is everything in these games

[Nanaten]

Цитата допису yoni zaria:

Цитата допису Nanaten:

Normal Elden Ring is easy, me and some friends had to mod it to increase difficulty, this is my first Souls-like, I am no gonna lie, I love Elden Ring, but it wasn't as hard as I thought

I think it still has its challenge but I learned the hard way in dark souls 1 ( my first game in the series ) went back afterwards.
Once I found out how it was designed differently than how traditional games are in the west, I then switched my mindset from it being hard to not hard at all .
Brain power is everything in these games

Dark Souls is probably the easiest saga, simply because full armor=easy bosses

[Snobby Hobo]

I've read through it twice, and I still don't understand what point you are trying to make. It's like incoherent rambling that at best tangentially relates to what you present as the pivotal point: Malenia not being difficult.

You are completely on the money with the observation all soulsbornes, and ESPECIALLY Sekiro are just about experience. Literally the whole franchise piggybacks off visual and environmental ambiguity (and on a level I absolutely despise them for it). If your point is that execution wise everyone can fairly achieve besting these bosses then yes, that is undoubtedly true.

[mayhem523]

Everyone knows you can easily beat bosses with OP builds and spirit summons, this isn't some secret wisdom. It's just that most souls fans consider it cheating and prefer a fair fight, which is actually hard.

I beat Malenia in 2 or 3 tries and I literally just clicked T and then spammed R until she was dead. I didn't have to dodge waterfowl once. I don't believe this makes me good or smart, and it doesn't mean the boss is easy. It just means I chose to beat are on very easy mode.

Sounds like that's what you're doing... only you haven't even beaten her yet.

[MundM]

Come on, don't make such walls of texts, there are internet forums that are more suitable to have such lengthy discussions.

Malenia is one of the most unfair bosses Fromsoft has every made. Sadly, many of the Elden Ring bosses have moves that defy their beloved design philosophy, because they have attacks that you just can't see coming and react, so you're always on the edge because you just can't know and see what's coming.
Not only is Malenia's waterflow dance designed like youtuber bait, her 2nd phase shows how she's broken, too, because she has multiple attacks where she jumps into the air but does something other than waterflow dance.
Anyway, I think we are beating a dead horse, and unless Myazaki starts to play his games after release, I doubt we will get a change to what's wrong with the bosses.
I didn't feel satisfied when finally beating her, I just felt like ticking a checkbox.

[Nuriyokan]

Цитата допису Incredibly average:

I've read through it twice, and I still don't understand what point you are trying to make. It's like incoherent rambling that at best tangentially relates to what you present as the pivotal point: Malenia not being difficult.

You are completely on the money with the observation all soulsbornes, and ESPECIALLY Sekiro are just about experience. Literally the whole franchise piggybacks off visual and environmental ambiguity (and on a level I absolutely despise them for it). If your point is that execution wise everyone can fairly achieve besting these bosses then yes, that is undoubtedly true.

Finally you get it well kinda ... my post was simply to say hey , it’s not as hard as it seems . We should try to build for a boss using our minds via strategy. The game tells us to explore . I simply explained how malenia is designed and if you look at it from a designers point of view , she was created to give people who use 4 spell buffs , and +25 weapon problems still . Bottom line we should build for her and plan to fight her vs just hacking away hoping for the best .

Preparation = no so tough
No preparation = hardest boss in gaming history so they say .

That’s all I was really saying and I’m glad you at least partially understood that . Thanks for not making assumptions about me . You are what they call a normal person .

[Nuriyokan]

Цитата допису MundM:

Come on, don't make such walls of texts, there are internet forums that are more suitable to have such lengthy discussions.

Malenia is one of the most unfair bosses Fromsoft has every made. Sadly, many of the Elden Ring bosses have moves that defy their beloved design philosophy, because they have attacks that you just can't see coming and react, so you're always on the edge because you just can't know and see what's coming.
Not only is Malenia's waterflow dance designed like youtuber bait, her 2nd phase shows how she's broken, too, because she has multiple attacks where she jumps into the air but does something other than waterflow dance.
Anyway, I think we are beating a dead horse, and unless Myazaki starts to play his games after release, I doubt we will get a change to what's wrong with the bosses.
I didn't feel satisfied when finally beating her, I just felt like ticking a checkbox.

I understand how you feel and thank you for not throwing insults . She can be tough but I think with the right build and strategy she isn’t that tough . See they condition you from the beginning to explore and learn stuff . Many people either don’t read the items , or they forget .

Master hewg even talks about a weapon to slay a god . They basically beg you to find information so you can better deal with something. Miyazaki even talked about that in his speech .