I think malenia is not really that hard of a boss.

[Nuriyokan]

(10/22/2023)
LATE 2023 AND SOMEONE WITH NO LIFE STILL DUG UP THIS POST XD CARRY ON BRO !




Have i beat her ? No not yet but i will say due to PC issues via windows update my PC
crashed 3 times while i had a full bar of health and she had 1hp left on phase 2 ! She was done for on my first 3 tries ! I technically saw her get hit and start talking in phase 2 thus i beat her 3 times in reality but the game crashed as well as windows . I beat her 3 times in a row the first 3 times on phase 2 .

However i fought her a few more times after that and her wild attacks just killed me over and over. " not so easy is it ? " Actually i think this boss is no different than your average boss considering i technically won 3 times . However here's what this post is really about and just a side note I'm NOT BRAGGING . Now for what i really wanted to say. I think malenia is known as the so called " hardest " boss in the series only because everyone is going about the fight the wrong way.

I've been gaming for years I'm 28 and started gaming at the age of 2. Most bosses that are really strong rely on a players lack of skill ... or at least that's how it was for some bosses . This series from its very beginning with Demon's Souls has always rewarded the player for their wits . Sure high skillset is possible and you technically can beat any boss at lvl 1 with no upgrades . However that is simply a personal challenge such as the play all Hidetaka Miyazaki titles in a row without being hit. Possible , personal challenge , but not how the devs intended.

I've messed around with game design on my own and can think about design from a creator's perspective . Think about how not only this game is designed but also how its previous games were designed. Once you think about that it will click . Malenia isn't really that hard. Its just that most players are choosing the harder route that is possible within the game.

I've come to the conclusion that malenia was never meant , nor designed for you to fight her straight up in a " fair fight " . Here's what i mean .... Her design : 3 moves that are a 1 hit K.O . Why on earth would the devs make a boss have a 1 hit K.O ? Well they must have paid attention to all the players over the years who make OP builds that just smack bosses in 1,or 2 hits . They must have said " well for those players we still want the boss to be a challenge ... how do we do that against players with OP builds ? " " Make the boss have 2 phases , Heal itself , give it 3 separate 1 hit K.O's , and while were at it make it poison the player , and give it moves that can stagger an endgame health bar " . Her design was something that was created to go up against a player that could end her life bar instantly or in just 2-3 hits . She wasn't designed for the average player who just blocks and attacks after learning patterns . She also heals not only when swinging at the air missing , but also on block , and she also heals after you have died as she is swinging .

She was meant to be that hard on purpose because this game and its previous titles besides sekiro have always rewarded players for their knowledge and wits . Anytime you can't beat a boss you can leave the area and " know well the lands between " as in explore , gain information then get something stronger via upgrades to beat said boss. In sekiro it was about GAINING KNOWLEDGE of enemy attacks . If you had the knowledge of enemy attacks memorized you could beat any boss while taking no damage.

Knowledge is king in these games. They knew many casual players would hop on the game and not read as most don't , and skip stuff making the game harder than it actually is. If you build correctly you can probably find over 20 -56 different ways via builds to kill malenia in just a few hits . I haven't explored all the possibilities but the game is supposed to be played more than once and malenia is optional . You get the full story after you beat the game like 5-6 times thus gaining full knowledge . I believe then you can go back and beat malenia after you have such knowledge.

I'm not saying you must do 5 runs ... I'm on run 1 blind and technically beat her 3 times in phases 2 but PC issues . She was meant to go up against an OP player who fully understood elden ring thus she's optional and not mandatory . You can't tell me this boss was designed for the average new player to the series who will most likely not read everything , nor spend time finding everything , nor build an OP build.

So many players online i see getting mad saying " They made her hard because they want us to suffer " " They made her like this just to make us mad " no they created her like that for a reason. Only players who have put in the effort to gain knowledge , or have put in effort to gain experience will be able to beat her without too much hassle . The lazy player who just wants to rush though the game will suffer against her . She's not that hard if you prepare for her just like you've done with every other boss in the game. yea you can just fight her regular but unlike every other boss in the series she was specifically designed for an OP player capable of killing her in just a few hits .

Fighting her normally with just a +25 weapon is the more difficult but possible approach for players who have beat the game multiple times and have a high skillset . She wasn't meant to be fought the way most of you are fighting her . Scarlet rot , Heals , 3 alt 1 hit K.O's , darts across the screen , staggers and endgame health bar , has two phases , large array of attacks , and still strong enough to kill multiple players at once . It makes since what type of player she was designed for.

Build something strong for her and you'll win ... or Do a challenge for bragging rights on youtube of just beating her at lvl 1 or with no upgrades if you wish however she isn't really that hard.

[Fineous🔥]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPCZF_0vGVk

Thanks for the long read, for making it....yes just for creating this magnificient thread giving your very own special opinion. Im so grateful im going to wish you a blessed sunday.

Hard? easy? i dont know....im the guy with bloodflame.

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

...I've been gaming for years I'm 28 and started gaming at the age of 2...

Psh, I started gaming in the womb. Mommy slipped me a controller through the slimy ventilation shaft and held the TV to her belly. I had to play by sound alone. Git gud, scrub.

[Nuriyokan]

Originally posted by 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPCZF_0vGVk

Thanks for the long read, for making it....yes just for creating this magnificient thread giving your very own special opinion. Im so grateful im going to wish you a blessed sunday.

Hard? easy? i dont know....im the guy with bloodflame.

yea but that doesn't apply to me i beat her 3 times without an op build so....... yea . Also you could at least read the full post .

[Nuriyokan]

Originally posted by Norm Macdonald's Ghost:

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

...I've been gaming for years I'm 28 and started gaming at the age of 2...

Psh, I started gaming in the womb. Mommy slipped me a controller through the slimy ventilation shaft and held the TV to her belly. I had to play by sound alone. Git gud, scrub.

you could read the full post ... you're reply of git gud scrub shows me you didn't read the full post . You made an assumption that I'm complaining about malenia ... dude if you guys are going to leave a reply you could at least read vs assuming otherwise the conversation is pointless.

[Nuriyokan]

Anyone who actually read the post wouldn't tell a person who beat the boss 3 times NOT using an op build to git good . Read its not illegal to read before responding lmfao you guys read 1 paragraph and assume what the post is about then reply .

[mayhem523]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

Originally posted by Norm Macdonald's Ghost:

Psh, I started gaming in the womb. Mommy slipped me a controller through the slimy ventilation shaft and held the TV to her belly. I had to play by sound alone. Git gud, scrub.

you could read the full post ... you're reply of git gud scrub shows me you didn't read the full post .pointless.

I mean let's be real, that's quite an ask. Have you seen your post?

Can someone hook us up with a tl/dr version I only made it through 2 paragraphs.

[Nuriyokan]

Originally posted by mayhem523:

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

you could read the full post ... you're reply of git gud scrub shows me you didn't read the full post .pointless.

I mean let's be real, that's quite an ask. Have you seen your post?

Can someone hook us up with a tl/dr I only made it through 2 paragraphs.

lmfao then don't respond . That response is so silly its laughable. Responding to something without full context is about the same as trying to respond to a person in a language you don't understand then expecting to understand the person who fully understands said language. Who complains at 2 paragraphs ? lmfao you can't read 2 paragraphs yet you wan't to respond to a post you haven't read ???? That's insane and also how i can tell who read vs who didn't.

People who leave TL:DR are just as silly . If you go off a TL:DR you will never get the full context because you are blindly going off of the hearsay of someone else who didn't even read. Its like trying to understand a japanese essay but instead of simply using google translate to see what it says so you can respond , you listen to the hearsay of some random dude only to find out he has no idea how to speak japanese and he didn't use a translator either .

Makes no sense and you guys make me laugh when you leave replies like this . " I didn't even read but let me respond randomly while not making any logical sense " . You basically have no idea what the post is even saying yet you want to respond . Its like me not understanding a russian guy then i respond to him as if i do then tell others " I don't even speak russian " lmfao how silly .

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

Originally posted by 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPCZF_0vGVk

Thanks for the long read, for making it....yes just for creating this magnificient thread giving your very own special opinion. Im so grateful im going to wish you a blessed sunday.

Hard? easy? i dont know....im the guy with bloodflame.

yea but that doesn't apply to me i beat her 3 times without an op build so....... yea . Also you could at least read the full post .

And yet you just said, at the beginning of your post, that you hadn't beaten her yet.

So which is it? Three times, or none?

Don't demand we read the post if reading makes you look like a goon.

Also, "I've been gaming for X years" is always going to be a weak argument, because time-in-pursuit is proof of neither knowledge nor capacity.

Also, twenty-six years is cute. :)

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

...Makes no sense and you guys make me laugh...

:praisesun:
I'm claiming that as a win, regardless of how you meant it.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by mayhem523:

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

you could read the full post ... you're reply of git gud scrub shows me you didn't read the full post .pointless.

I mean let's be real, that's quite an ask. Have you seen your post?

Can someone hook us up with a tl/dr version I only made it through 2 paragraphs.

TL;DR: I am very smart, take myself very seriously, and think "I beat her three times, but my PC crashed every time right before the final blow" will be taken as a legitimate explanation for my situation.

Also, I have played with game design (read: used RPGMaker for an hour), so I am qualified to address design concerns on a professional level.

I am twenty-eight, and I am mature and wise.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

Originally posted by mayhem523:

I mean let's be real, that's quite an ask. Have you seen your post?

Can someone hook us up with a tl/dr I only made it through 2 paragraphs.

lmfao then don't respond . That response is so silly its laughable. Responding to something without full context is about the same as trying to respond to a person in a language you don't understand then expecting to understand the person who fully understands said language. Who complains at 2 paragraphs ? lmfao you can't read 2 paragraphs yet you wan't to respond to a post you haven't read ???? That's insane and also how i can tell who read vs who didn't.

People who leave TL:DR are just as silly . If you go off a TL:DR you will never get the full context because you are blindly going off of the hearsay of someone else who didn't even read. Its like trying to understand a japanese essay but instead of simply using google translate to see what it says so you can respond , you listen to the hearsay of some random dude only to find out he has no idea how to speak japanese and he didn't use a translator either .

Makes no sense and you guys make me laugh when you leave replies like this . " I didn't even read but let me respond randomly while not making any logical sense " . You basically have no idea what the post is even saying yet you want to respond . Its like me not understanding a russian guy then i respond to him as if i do then tell others " I don't even speak russian " lmfao how silly .

OP = 11 paragraphs.

Per OP's logic, 11 = 2.

Also, bad analogy is bad. Problems of communication based on linguistic conflicts are not in any way comparable to being clowned on because you spent eleven paragraphs telling us all about your godlike gaming capacity that has only been thwarted by three suspiciously consistent crashes right at the coup de grace on Malenia.

[Nuriyokan]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

yea but that doesn't apply to me i beat her 3 times without an op build so....... yea . Also you could at least read the full post .

And yet you just said, at the beginning of your post, that you hadn't beaten her yet.

So which is it? Three times, or none?

Don't demand we read the post if reading makes you look like a goon.

Also, "I've been gaming for X years" is always going to be a weak argument, because time-in-pursuit is proof of neither knowledge nor capacity.

Also, twenty-six years is cute. :)

so you chose not to fully read ? ok suffer the consequece of not knowing either read or don't and be confused. if you would have read you'd understand . let me spell it out for you ! I beat her 3 times in phase 2 on my first 3 tries however the game kept crashing . I saw her talking as she died but the crash didn't save the progress . I have NO OP build just read and you would have known that but you didn't fully read you skim read like most people. The very thing you guys are doing on this post is the main reason many players rage in this series ironically . Lol people don't read .

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

And yet you just said, at the beginning of your post, that you hadn't beaten her yet.

So which is it? Three times, or none?

Don't demand we read the post if reading makes you look like a goon.

Also, "I've been gaming for X years" is always going to be a weak argument, because time-in-pursuit is proof of neither knowledge nor capacity.

Also, twenty-six years is cute. :)

so you chose not to fully read ? ok suffer the consequece of not knowing either read or don't and be confused. if you would have read you'd understand . let me spell it out for you ! I beat her 3 times in phase 2 on my first 3 tries however the game kept crashing . I saw her talking as she died but the crash didn't save the progress . I have NO OP build just read and you would have known that but you didn't fully read you skim read like most people. The very thing you guys are doing on this post is the main reason many players rage in this series ironically . Lol people don't read .

No, I read the whole self-congratulatory, onanistic paean to your mad skillz. And your "I beat her three times on my first try, but the game crashed at exactly the same point each time, so I don't have proof, but it totally happened u guis" garbage is the same crap I was hearing in the 80s from kids who'd totally found the super-secret mega mushroom in Super Mario Bros., only they can't show you because the game's busted now.

...or if we want to get to something within your lifetime, the folks who found the white materia in Final Fantasy VII, but couldn't reproduce the result under observation because "you have to have X phoenix downs at Y playtime with Z materia development, man."

It's bupkus.

[Nuriyokan]

I honestly couldn't imagine responding to a post i haven't even read. This is why usually someone comes along after a while and starts calling out others in my posts who don't read. Those people usually read and fully understand and we don't have all this back and forth going on.

Told me to gid good = didn't read
Ask me which one is it = didn't read
Accused me of bragging = didn't read
" Demand we read " = insanity
I'm not repeating myself this happens often on steam with people that end up apologizing afterwards once they decide to actually read lol . Me saying i don't think its as hard as most people assume and me explaining a bosses game design is somehow me complaining ? Makes no sense if you read and have a brain . lmfao this is funny .

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Originally posted by yoni zaria:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

And yet you just said, at the beginning of your post, that you hadn't beaten her yet.

So which is it? Three times, or none?

Don't demand we read the post if reading makes you look like a goon.

Also, "I've been gaming for X years" is always going to be a weak argument, because time-in-pursuit is proof of neither knowledge nor capacity.

Also, twenty-six years is cute. :)

so you chose not to fully read ? ok suffer the consequece...

Look, we don't need to waste precious cyberpolice time and resources with this "problem". Let's not get them involved. Alright?