Why does everyone have a problem with seamless coop

[Scrambled onions]

It's funny how the invasion sweats like to say the seamless coop users are "pvp noobs who want a handheld experience" when 90% of us just want to be able to play with friends without restrictions or better duels with the pvp option

[itssomuchfun]

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

Originally posted by itssomuchfun:

I doubt getting all endings in one playthrough was intended by devs.
As for killing merchants, I rather people mod the game as they want than being scums killing NPCs for their convenience.

It's a video game character, by that logic were scum for killing bosses to to unlock new items "for our convenience"

Bosses and enemies are almost all hostile. Both mechanically and lorewise.
Most NPC are not hostile and by the narrative there is no reason to attack them. If you current character has a narrative that makes it hostile towards a certain NPC, fine, but it should probably rare occurrence. Also most of all are just even bigger ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as we are and definitely deserving a beating.

Treating characters from the role playing game like objects just for your convenience is morally wrong. Oh, yes, it's intended by devs. They like to give players grey ethics choices. But it means that either you don't play the game like a real role playing game (i.e. as intended) or you are an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for doing it. Something like that.

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by itssomuchfun:

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

It's a video game character, by that logic were scum for killing bosses to to unlock new items "for our convenience"

Bosses and enemies are almost all hostile. Both mechanically and lorewise.
Most NPC are not hostile and by the narrative there is no reason to attack them. If you current character has a narrative that makes it hostile towards a certain NPC, fine, but it should probably rare occurrence. Also most of all are just even bigger ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as we are and definitely deserving a beating.

Treating characters from the role playing game like objects just for your convenience is morally wrong. Oh, yes, it's intended by devs. They like to give players grey ethics choices. But it means that either you don't play the game like a real role playing game (i.e. as intended) or you are an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for doing it. Something like that.

OK, if it's a rpg then I choose to play the role of villain. Can i kill npcs now fun police?

[itssomuchfun]

Are you making excuses for me or for yourself?

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by itssomuchfun:

Are you making excuses for me or for yourself?

No excuse needed, it's a video game, I can do whatever I want

[Dangeki]

u can just smell the swamp a** of the invasion twinkers here

[Ahhtaczy]

Seamless coop is fun, you get to have a much improved and basically flawless open world co-op experience as compared to the limited vanilla co-op. I don't understand how the elitist and sweats dislike something that doesn't even affect them.

Video games are for fun! Play how YOU want.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

(...) is because it is both cheating and easy mode, easy mode being just the natural consequence of cheating. Motives to what an individual says that does not matter.

PvP sucks anyway, so ER getting PvP activity or not also does not matter, but it is fine even without cheat users since there's so many people.

You do realize seamless coop scales health and damage of all enemies with the amount of people in the lobby, so the "easy mode" argument is out of the window, and why do you care if it's "cheating" if it ( in your own words) doesn't effect you

Regardless of why, it is so that other players have voiced an opinion that merely dictates a degree of freedom to modify our experience with the game, and that we must conform to the "EAC standard". It's a complicated but not uncommon issue among groups and communities to have such a cancer impact multiplayer communities, but this community called it out before it was even implemented. Our voices were not heard.

The glue came off, and we were placed into an artificial box. I find that playing online on PC is anxiety-inducing due to EAC and performance issues which are absent while offline; I also dislike many time-wasting aspects of the metagame when all that is desired is PvP.

Particularly the Rune Arc economy and game balance as invader are totally whack, and this is coming from someone that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ knows souls pvp in and the ♥♥♥♥ out. I don't just drop 5k hours casually for no reason, and it's always to point out that the time was spent interfacing with many, many game mechanics tied to multiplayer across every souls game across about 9 years.

I even renamed my account to nod at Wulf who fixed OG Dark Souls, which itself was sabotaged by either Bandai Namco or Fromsoftware. They wanted to kill the online functionality in a weird, artificial way, around the time the Remaster was being developed, shortly before announcement. Clearly a marketing move disrupted a major game mechanic, and that is what continues to happen to this day.

I reckon delays for the DLC are due to push to monetize Rune Arcs, going off of trends toward industry mainstream-ification. $9.99 for 10 Rune Arcs, anyone?

By the way; I don't feel EAC stops the determined cheaters. It just stops the trash I used to have no problem backstabbing off a ledge. If someone is small enough to micro-cheat, let them. Beat them. Use them as a training tool. Brag about how many trash cheaters you destroyed on your legit build, and brag that you make the conscious choice to play legitimately.

All EAC does is create a paid cheat tool market on the side which scum still flock to and pay for. I'm not condoning EAC bypass by any means, but its presence means we are forced to not modify the game in hardly any way at all, if we desire to play with one another; this means the same base game, forever. No fun mods. No PvP mods. Nothing.

Hope you guys are happy with that.

On that note, I have to recommend Seamless Co-op indefinitely for non-pvpers. It will cause the official online portion of the game to stagnate and Fromsoftware can realize their multiplayer-handling mistakes, hopefully passing it off to somebody who's actually PLAYED Dark Souls/Bloodborne.

I don't think they can make good PvP if they don't have that experience, and that DS PvP being good was a straight up anomaly.

Whew, since we're all on a writing spree, that felt good!

[itssomuchfun]

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

Originally posted by itssomuchfun:

Are you making excuses for me or for yourself?

No excuse needed, it's a video game, I can do whatever I want

That's why you lost me with your "choosing a villain" farce.

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by itssomuchfun:

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

No excuse needed, it's a video game, I can do whatever I want

That's why you lost me with your "choosing a villain" farce.

I was just putting into perspective how stupid you sound

[MoSo]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

Originally posted by ♤Scrambled onions♤:

funny how you think im salty over invasions when ive said multiple times i enjoy pvp

You're insulting people pointlessly and for no reason, yes you are salty lol maybe grow up a little. Im not even going to touch on how you think me saying people should make sensible purchasing choices somehow makes me a twink. The mental gymnastics you people do is utterly insane.

Originally posted by BoD6-4:

It is also absolutely your problem how the mods always existed on pc. You should purchase a console and play with that

Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension and learn to read before forcing yourself into a discussion you have no part in. The context of my original comment and this one arent even about the mod its about people demanding the core mechanics change and how the games are primarily intended to play by the devs.

It's absolutely not my problem people buy games with systems they dont like, its 100% their problem. But i dont expect any sensible responses from you anyhow just your typical nonsense.

Lmfao you are insane
I loved reading through this thread and your very salty comments (among others) really gave me the giggles and I wanted to thank you, dude

[Zazza_626]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

most of the comments talking down to people about how seamless is "easy mode" or is cheating

(...) is because it is both cheating and easy mode, easy mode being just the natural consequence of cheating. Motives to what an individual says that does not matter.

PvP sucks anyway, so ER getting PvP activity or not also does not matter, but it is fine even without cheat users since there's so many people.

* You can change the game to make it insanely difficult by tweaking enemy health, damage & pretty much any other game stats in the settings. Seamless co-op was never about playing on easy mode.