Why does everyone have a problem with seamless coop

[Scrambled onions]

It's funny how the invasion sweats like to say the seamless coop users are "pvp noobs who want a handheld experience" when 90% of us just want to be able to play with friends without restrictions or better duels with the pvp option

[RoofusGoofus]

idk. I've used it and I haven't used it since. I don't have an issue with it. If I wanted a pvp experience I would go to ds2 or ds3. I just find invasions more tedious than anything honestly. This was the same in the other souls games as well.

[fauxpas]

Because not having as many invasion opportunities inconveniences them slightly and thier enjoyment is more important than yours of course. 😜

[Alby]

it was never about pvp to be honest. as you said, 90% of the people who use the mods want to play with friends as "seamlessly" as possible and, in the opinion of many others, the way it should've been from the start. i guarantee you if the seamless still enabled pvp (which obviously is impossible 'cause offline), ppl wouldn't care about it. most of the complaints come from the pvp community because they fell like it messes with the amount of possible invasions. which, to a degree, it does, but certainly not in the way they exaggerate it. i've never used the mod, i don't care if people use the mod, anyone who bases ER as their point of SWEAT should reconsider picking up a new hobby.

[DayLight1943]

most of the comments talking down to people about how seamless is "easy mode" or is cheating are said simply because people are frustrated by the reduction in pvp activity it caused. of course, there are other reasons why ER activity is much lower than ds3, and its impossible to quantify or truly know how much of an effect seamless really has on activity, but with nearly 1.4mil downloads, it would be pretty absurd to conclude that seamless has no perceptible effect on activity.

its incredibly likely that the vast, vast majority of people making these comments dont actually care about someone playing "on easy mode" or whatever, they are just being salty because they don't like the mods perceived effects on overall pvp activity, so it feels attractive to contribute to ideas that might dissuade new players from choosing seamless over vanilla.

on the other hand, the ideas that the mod makes the game significantly easier, or that it is cheating, are correct. seamless obviously makes the game easier by allowing for additional players, removing invasions, and allowing more frequent, easier resummons. nothing wrong with that if youre having fun, but its true. the mods creator lukeyui even clearly states this on the mods nexus page - "This mod undoubtedly makes the game much easier."

its also very clearly considered cheating by fromsoftware. any mod or third party program, regardless of what it does, is considered cheating by fromsoft. ds3 anticheat mods like blue sentinel? cheating. client side graphical mods? cheating. making builds offline with a mod like honest/grand merchant? cheating. seamless? cheating. fromsoft holds a very very clear zero tolerance policy for any kind of mod.

typically, the pvp/co-op communities have developed their own definitions of what counts as "cheating", which usually boils down to cheating while online, in a way that has any kind of effect on other players, which removes stuff like playing mods offline/on private servers, making builds offline, and client side graphical mods from the list of things considered "cheating". probably the most controversial mod has been ds3's blue sentinel, since along with features that dont effect other players, or features that only effect players actively using third party cheat tools, BS offered the option to kick other players who were not using any third party tools.

when the whole "ng+ exploit" thing happened in ds3(a script became public that allowed you to send other players to ng+ where they would be trapped at firelink, unable to warp to high wall without using a CE script), it was confirmed by bandai namco customer service that they considered players using the blue sentinel mod to protect themselves from the ng+ script was considered cheating and was not allowed.

personally, i fall into the "as long as its not effecting other players online in any way" camp, i do stuff like make builds with CE or use third party tools to detect ping, so im not here to tell anyone they are a big bad cheater for using seamless. i dont care at all and think people should play seamless if they want. but the fact of the matter is, if you email fromsoft and ask if the seamless mod counts as cheating, they will say yes, and its their game, so its kinda hard to argue.

[Requiems_Lullaby]

i find that most people complaining about Seamless Coop mod are the same people who twink for invasions. i tell those people the same thing over and over. you are not entitled to my game session if i dont want to pvp. i dont care if i have to gank, disconnect, or install a mod that cuts out pvp. sod off and find a group of people who want the same thing you want.

[BKo]

You can't force people to play with you. You can try, but they'll do whatever they can to resist it. Invasions were always a doomed mechanic as this series got popular.

[Umbral Priestess]

No one that matters have a problem with it, it solves a lot of the problems this game has with multiplayer. The only people "mad" about it are those that are upset that they have less victims to troll/grief, they were already angry solo invasions were actually optional now.

[DayLight1943]

>sod off and find a group of people who want the same thing you want.

usually, gamers who want to engage in pvp with other gamers who also want the same thing, do it by buying a game that has the pvp they are looking for, and then engaging with that pvp within the game, assuming that other players who bought a pvp game that is optional to play and who engage with optional pvp want to pvp. crazy right?

question for anyone reading this - are there any other games out there with similar dynamics? where a player does optional things to enable optional pvp, but then the other player who comes to pvp is seen as an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for wanting to pvp? maybe some mmo's have this kind of dynamic? i really dont know, ds3 and ER are the only modern multiplayer games ive played.

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

>sod off and find a group of people who want the same thing you want.

usually, gamers who want to engage in pvp with other gamers who also want the same thing, do it by buying a game that has the pvp they are looking for, and then engaging with that pvp within the game, assuming that other players who bought a pvp game that is optional to play and who engage with optional pvp want to pvp. crazy right?

question for anyone reading this - are there any other games out there with similar dynamics? where a player does optional things to enable optional pvp, but then the other player who comes to pvp is seen as an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for wanting to pvp? maybe some mmo's have this kind of dynamic? i really dont know, ds3 and ER are the only modern multiplayer games ive played.

Not saying they're wrong for wanting pvp, I'm saying they are wrong for acting like we're obligated to "enjoy" invasions when half of them admit they partake In invasions to "mess with noobs playthrough and mental health". I enjoy pvp, but sometimes I just want to play with friends uninterrupted

[ZTL-Altima]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

most of the comments talking down to people about how seamless is "easy mode" or is cheating

(...) is because it is both cheating and easy mode, easy mode being just the natural consequence of cheating. Motives to what an individual says that does not matter.

PvP sucks anyway, so ER getting PvP activity or not also does not matter, but it is fine even without cheat users since there's so many people.

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by ZTL-Altima:

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

most of the comments talking down to people about how seamless is "easy mode" or is cheating

(...) is because it is both cheating and easy mode, easy mode being just the natural consequence of cheating. Motives to what an individual says that does not matter.

PvP sucks anyway, so ER getting PvP activity or not also does not matter, but it is fine even without cheat users since there's so many people.

You do realize seamless coop scales health and damage of all enemies with the amount of people in the lobby, so the "easy mode" argument is out of the window, and why do you care if it's "cheating" if it ( in your own words) doesn't effect you

[Sonnenbank]

First of all your original statement is wrong.
"Why does everybody hate seamless coop ?"
Like 4-6 guys on the Steam forums hate it.
Thats not everybody

so far more than 1 million people (individual downloads) have played seamless coop.

1 Million people vs like 4-6 guys on steam.-.....
and you say the 4-6 guys is everybody ?

2nd


Seamless coop is easier than solo , but its definitely harder than coop bossfights without mod.

Seamless coop scales Boss HP much harder than original Elden Ring.
Its 100% more hp and 100% more status resistance instead of 60% more HP and 50% more status resistance

Reason for this is that in Seamless coop you can use Spirit Summons while doing coop , which is not possible in normal coop. So since thats possible the mod scales HP and status resistance much harder than ER original coop

So if you dont use Spirit summons Seamless coop is a lot harder than normal coop thats in the game ;)

[CourtesyFlush09]

some people are just allergic to fun or hate it when other people have fun, i reckon.

[Scrambled onions]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

First of all your original statement is wrong.
"Why does everybody hate seamless coop ?"
Like 4-6 guys on the Steam forums hate it.
Thats not everybody

so far more than 1 million people (individual downloads) have played seamless coop.

1 Million people vs like 4-6 guys on steam.-.....
and you say the 4-6 guys is everybody ?

2nd


Seamless coop is easier than solo , but its definitely harder than coop bossfights without mod.

Seamless coop scales Boss HP much harder than original Elden Ring.
Its 100% more hp and 100% more status resistance instead of 60% more HP and 50% more status resistance

Reason for this is that in Seamless coop you can use Spirit Summons while doing coop , which is not possible in normal coop. So since thats possible the mod scales HP and status resistance much harder than ER original coop

So if you dont use Spirit summons Seamless coop is a lot harder than normal coop thats in the game ;)

Lmao, do you realize when people say "everybody" they don't literally mean everybody, get your head out of your ass and and actually read the main point which is people who do invasion are mad

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Seamless coop scales Boss HP much harder than original Elden Ring.
Its 100% more hp and 100% more status resistance instead of 60% more HP and 50% more status resistance
So if you dont use Spirit summons Seamless coop is a lot harder than normal coop thats in the game ;)

It doesnt make them "harder" it makes them dies slightly slower, thats it, nothing about the AI changes. 2-3 People still trivialises everything the exact same way it does in vanilla. The mod creator even says it makes it easier, and the additions dont really change anything at all for the difficulty except allowing even more phantoms in and avoiding invasions which trivialises the game ever further.