180 Ban because of savegames switching?

[Jirai]

I am banned for 180 days. I have 3 diffrent savegames and backups from it for lvl 25 pvp, 150, 200 and 250. I switched between such savegames because sometimes I want to do pvp and sometimes just pve with my lvl 200 or 250.

Is it really worth a ban? First time it ever happened to me

[breadman]

uh yeah, working as intended

[dark-breed]

this was reported now several times, if the savefile is made in other versions of the game or is too old it can cause a ban because the eula says it is not allowed.

[Jirai]

I didnt know that and I read nothing about the savefile stuff in the game. How stupid to not allow the user having multiple savegame files..... gimme back the 90s.

First problem was the trash ps4 version and that was the reason I bought this one and now after not even 100h banned for half a year.

it is totally excessive to ban because of something like this and the punishment of 180 days is excessive. absolutely ridiculous what fromsoft is doing there.

no more fromsoft in the future. good bye all o/

[dark-breed]

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

I didnt know that and I read nothing about the savefile stuff in the game. How stupid to not allow the user having multiple savegame files..... gimme back the 90s.

First problem was the trash ps4 version and that was the reason I bought this one and now after not even 100h banned for half a year.

it is totally excessive to ban because of something like this and the punishment of 180 days is excessive. absolutely ridiculous what fromsoft is doing there.

no more fromsoft in the future.

the eula of this game says clearly that about the save data.

Article 10 Prohibited Matters

No Player shall be entitled to assign to, transfer to, sell to or buy from another, change the name to another's name of, or provide another as pledge or other security with, any of his/her rights held as a Player, and items, characters and saved data within the game related to the Software which are obtained in the Services (including so-called "real money trading").

No Player shall perform any of the following other acts on the Services:

Playing a game in a manner offensive to other Players;

Playing a game using falsified data regardless of the circumstances;

Playing a game in a manner not intended by the Company using any function or failure of the Software or the Services; or

Performing any other act determined to be inappropriate by the Company or a third party providing any of the systems used for the Services.

With respect to Players who have performed acts prohibited under this Article, the Company or the third party providing any of the systems used for the Services shall be entitled at its discretion to give such Players warnings, delete the Recorded Data of such Players, or have such Players suspend or cease their use of the Services.

technically save scumming is falsified data.

[Jirai]

Originally posted by dark-breed:

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

I didnt know that and I read nothing about the savefile stuff in the game. How stupid to not allow the user having multiple savegame files..... gimme back the 90s.

First problem was the trash ps4 version and that was the reason I bought this one and now after not even 100h banned for half a year.

it is totally excessive to ban because of something like this and the punishment of 180 days is excessive. absolutely ridiculous what fromsoft is doing there.

no more fromsoft in the future.

the eula of this game says clearly that about the save data.

Article 10 Prohibited Matters

No Player shall be entitled to assign to, transfer to, sell to or buy from another, change the name to another's name of, or provide another as pledge or other security with, any of his/her rights held as a Player, and items, characters and saved data within the game related to the Software which are obtained in the Services (including so-called "real money trading").

No Player shall perform any of the following other acts on the Services:

Playing a game in a manner offensive to other Players;

Playing a game using falsified data regardless of the circumstances;

Playing a game in a manner not intended by the Company using any function or failure of the Software or the Services; or

Performing any other act determined to be inappropriate by the Company or a third party providing any of the systems used for the Services.

With respect to Players who have performed acts prohibited under this Article, the Company or the third party providing any of the systems used for the Services shall be entitled at its discretion to give such Players warnings, delete the Recorded Data of such Players, or have such Players suspend or cease their use of the Services.

Yeah I dont disagree with you but I refer again to what I wrote. Its purely stupidity by fromsoft. I dont see where it clearly says multiple savefiles arent allowed.
Whatever, cya!

[dark-breed]

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

Originally posted by dark-breed:

the eula of this game says clearly that about the save data.

Article 10 Prohibited Matters

No Player shall be entitled to assign to, transfer to, sell to or buy from another, change the name to another's name of, or provide another as pledge or other security with, any of his/her rights held as a Player, and items, characters and saved data within the game related to the Software which are obtained in the Services (including so-called "real money trading").

No Player shall perform any of the following other acts on the Services:

Playing a game in a manner offensive to other Players;

Playing a game using falsified data regardless of the circumstances;

Playing a game in a manner not intended by the Company using any function or failure of the Software or the Services; or

Performing any other act determined to be inappropriate by the Company or a third party providing any of the systems used for the Services.

With respect to Players who have performed acts prohibited under this Article, the Company or the third party providing any of the systems used for the Services shall be entitled at its discretion to give such Players warnings, delete the Recorded Data of such Players, or have such Players suspend or cease their use of the Services.

Yeah I dont disagree with you but I refer again to what I wrote. Its purely stupidity by fromsoft. Cya.

it will become at some point the standard for games with online functionality. altering save files are prohibited.

[Jirai]

Originally posted by dark-breed:

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

Yeah I dont disagree with you but I refer again to what I wrote. Its purely stupidity by fromsoft. Cya.

it will become at some point the standard for games with online functionality. altering save files are prohibited.

yes right, very stupid to smaller your customers possibilites for 70€. sorry but the only thing that fromsoft gets from me in the future is no money and 180 kicks in their ass.

[Vim]

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

I am banned for 180 days. I have 3 diffrent savegames and backups from it for lvl 25 pvp, 150, 200 and 250. I switched between such savegames because sometimes I want to do pvp and sometimes just pve with my lvl 200 or 250.

Is it really worth a ban? First time it ever happened to me

My case was even worse, my save game corrupted and it overwrote Steam cloud as well so instead of playing the game for 200h again I went on the net and downloaded a save that's pretty much ready for PvP.

So apparently it's my fault my save game corrupted and they banned me for 360 days instead of 180 - and be absolutely ready for your ban to be doubled as well cause after I contacted why my ban wasn't lifted they didn't elaborate for "Security" reasons and decided to wipe their hands clean of it.

They won't even honor their own "First time ban policy." Which clearly states that if you've been banned for the first time you're entitled to a pardon of which when you try to enforce in the support ticket they'll act like it doesn't exist.

[Bricky strong]

They should NOT ban an old save. You should backup the saves on EVERY game you like to play encase it gets corrupted during regular use . It happens, you can get a corrupted save game while playing normally.
This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I bet, just trying to scare people from using save backups.

[Vim]

Originally posted by csand:

Originally posted by Vim:

My case was even worse, my save game corrupted and it overwrote Steam cloud as well so instead of playing the game for 200h again I went on the net and downloaded a save that's pretty much ready for PvP.

So apparently it's my fault my save game corrupted and they banned me for 360 days instead of 180 - and be absolutely ready for your ban to be doubled as well cause after I contacted why my ban wasn't lifted they didn't elaborate for "Security" reasons and decided to wipe their hands clean of it.

They won't even honor their own "First time ban policy." Which clearly states that if you've been banned for the first time you're entitled to a pardon of which when you try to enforce in the support ticket they'll act like it doesn't exist.

No, it's your fault you downloaded a save.
So the save files have a steam ID in them. If it's not yours, you'll get a ban.

Also, one of the things they check is how many runes you have. So even if you are scumming with your own save file.. Say you had 0 runes then you reload your save that has 200k runes. There is.o way for the system to know you didn't just slap 200k runes into your account using a cheat or editor

Typically though you get a warning to remove your save before you get banned

Please don't defend a policy that's absolutely unnecessary.
I did not get any such warnings and I was banned without any sort of contact.

"No, it's your fault you downloaded a save."

So, how am I supposed to get back all the hours I've lost in the original save? I have to redo everything just so that Elden Ring can rack in more player engagement statistics for their investors? You know what? That might just be the reason this policy exists in the first place. HAHA.

[dark-breed]

Originally posted by csand:

Originally posted by Vim:

Please don't defend a policy that's absolutely unnecessary.
I did not get any such warnings and I was banned without any sort of contact.

"No, it's your fault you downloaded a save."

So, how am I supposed to get back all the hours I've lost in the original save? I have to redo everything just so that Elden Ring can rack in more player engagement statistics for their investors? You know what? That might just be the reason this policy exists in the first place. HAHA.

Backup your own save and don't download edited ones from the internet, and research how to properly save scum without getting flagged. The info is out there. It's nothing about engagement statistics lol.

so far if you use a saveflie created in previous patch versions it can ban you without any warning (so far the ppl i have talked to with this type of ban cause are said the truth).
however there are cases where no ban happend with no clear explanation why not and others restored a old savefile and got directly banned.

i installed the game at a new rig for examble and for no obvious reason the steam cloud gave me a save file that was a other one than at my main rig (20 hours difference) and has overwritten the cloud save with the old file too.

i got a warning (inappropiate activity detected) after about 1 minute ingame, luckily i had a fresh manual backup some minutes old because i expected that something is strange with steam cloud and this game and restored the actual save file and the inappropiate warning gone away directly at the new rig.

this is now 4 weeks ago, what i have registered two weeks long i did not see any blood stains or messages after this happend what let me assume my account was under investigation from this moment.

the old file from steam cloud was from version 1.06 btw.

[dark-breed]

Originally posted by csand:

Originally posted by dark-breed:

so far if you use a saveflie created in previous patch versions it can ban you without any warning (so far the ppl i have talked to with this type of ban cause are said the truth).
however there are cases where no ban happend with no clear explanation why not and others restored a old savefile and got directly banned.

i installed the game at a new rig for examble and for no obvious reason the steam cloud gave me a save file that was a other one than at my main rig (20 hours difference) and has overwritten the cloud save with the old file too.

i got a warning (inappropiate activity detected) after about 1 minute ingame, luckily i had a fresh manual backup some minutes old because i expected that something is strange with steam cloud and this game and restored the actual save file and the inappropiate warning gone away directly at the new rig.

this is now 4 weeks ago, what i have registered two weeks long i did not see any blood stains or messages after this happend what let me assume my account was under investigation from this moment.

the old file from steam cloud was from version 1.06 btw.

Did your save old save file have more runes than your new one?

I did the same thing (I had a big thread about it a while back), restored from an old version of the game. I too got the 2 week warning.

I have since restored saves like this and had no issues:

- create a new save or character on current save file
- go offline and load old save file
- get rid of all runes from all characters
- then you should be ok on to go online as the save file is now up to date and the system won't flag magic upward changes in rune amount

I always turn steam cloud save off, in any game it seems to cause a problem eventually

the old file had during this time less runes (zero because it was made after i died a second time on the way to the runes) than the actual file with around 10000 runs the obvious difference where 20 hours less playtime, 6 levels less and made with game version 1.06.

as you know i do not really play the game i test some things out, also the steam cloud malfunctions with this game.

tuesday is for examble a bad day to play the game because the cloud servers sometimes malfunction long before the steam maintain cycle starts (what could cause this mysterious lost hours of playtime too) and a backup server seams to get in place.

[BIGDOJO]

best thing, smartest option is to call miyazaki directly and yell into the phone "AM I BEING DETAINED!?"

[1100011]

There are known issues with Steam Cloud saves.

I backup/restore files every now and again from various game versions, and have not been banned ever since DS1. Of course, make sure your saves are 'clean'.

Edit: guide on fixes for corrupted save files. Page 1 item 1: turn off Steam cloud saves, as it is the cause of so many problems.

[M.Lore]

Originally posted by dark-breed:

Originally posted by Madda aka Jirai:

I didnt know that and I read nothing about the savefile stuff in the game. How stupid to not allow the user having multiple savegame files..... gimme back the 90s.

First problem was the trash ps4 version and that was the reason I bought this one and now after not even 100h banned for half a year.

it is totally excessive to ban because of something like this and the punishment of 180 days is excessive. absolutely ridiculous what fromsoft is doing there.

no more fromsoft in the future.

the eula of this game says clearly that about the save data.

Article 10 Prohibited Matters

No Player shall be entitled to assign to, transfer to, sell to or buy from another, change the name to another's name of, or provide another as pledge or other security with, any of his/her rights held as a Player, and items, characters and saved data within the game related to the Software which are obtained in the Services (including so-called "real money trading").

No Player shall perform any of the following other acts on the Services:

Playing a game in a manner offensive to other Players;


Playing a game using falsified data regardless of the circumstances;

Playing a game in a manner not intended by the Company using any function or failure of the Software or the Services; or

Performing any other act determined to be inappropriate by the Company or a third party providing any of the systems used for the Services.

With respect to Players who have performed acts prohibited under this Article, the Company or the third party providing any of the systems used for the Services shall be entitled at its discretion to give such Players warnings, delete the Recorded Data of such Players, or have such Players suspend or cease their use of the Services.

technically save scumming is falsified data.

Originally posted by dark-breed:

Originally posted by csand:

Backup your own save and don't download edited ones from the internet, and research how to properly save scum without getting flagged. The info is out there. It's nothing about engagement statistics lol.

so far if you use a saveflie created in previous patch versions it can ban you without any warning (so far the ppl i have talked to with this type of ban cause are said the truth).
however there are cases where no ban happend with no clear explanation why not and others restored a old savefile and got directly banned.

i installed the game at a new rig for examble and for no obvious reason the steam cloud gave me a save file that was a other one than at my main rig (20 hours difference) and has overwritten the cloud save with the old file too.

i got a warning (inappropiate activity detected) after about 1 minute ingame, luckily i had a fresh manual backup some minutes old because i expected that something is strange with steam cloud and this game and restored the actual save file and the inappropiate warning gone away directly at the new rig.

this is now 4 weeks ago, what i have registered two weeks long i did not see any blood stains or messages after this happend what let me assume my account was under investigation from this moment.

the old file from steam cloud was from version 1.06 btw.

hi so i have a question, i cant install my save i used before the dlc relase? i lost it when i deleted elden ring and i still have it in drive, so if i put it in elden ring do i get banned? is before the dlc