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It's not only about playing with people, it's messages and bloodstains. They're seriously a major part of the experience, and will teach you how to play this game more than anyone here, or any guide will.
I've played the entirety of Elden Ring solo, and messages have been an invaluable part of the experience.
Then why does the most popular mod has 1 million unique DL's, and the game has 20 million sales ? That don't even come up to 5% and that is assuming that everyone who has downloaded seamless actively uses it. More people have seen the most obtuse ending in this game than people who have downloaded the most popular mod in this game. You all who are modding this game are a minority.
Then why did miyazaki himself said that he is against them ?
I totally agree that mods increase replayability. I'm totally up for that even!
But when you're at the point where you recommend someone who hasn't even played the game a significant amount to cheat their playthrough ? At the point where mods are mentioned in every thread and modders parade themselves as these whiteknights better than everyone else promoting the use of EULA breaking tools and mods and putting down people who play the game as intended ?
Yeah, but that will gatekeep 90% of people who do play mods atm. It's easy to go around EAC right now, they could make it a lot harder. Though their most likely avenue is sending a legal notice to the maintainers of these mods in addition to making it harder to disable EAC. If they decide to come down with the hammer, they will, and hard, rofl.
I am not, brother, I've modded all of these games. I've even made mods for Rimworld as a stepping stone to learning C#. This isn't about "I don't want people to mod", this is about "I want people to have a great experience with Elden Ring". We're not talking about "replaying with mods here", we're talking about encouraging a new player to destroy the experience with --cheats-- before we even have the chance to help him and teach him how to play the game.
From my perspective, you're robbing them of their first experience with the game, you're robbing them of the joy of figuring things out and the joy of feeling the pieces click into place after struggling, you're robbing them of the joy of connecting communally with other players like me that will gladly teach him how to play, you're robbing them of the experience of coming into a room with 6 messages and 18 bloodstains, and their heart racing because they know something's up, and reading messages that say "Try sleep", and owning the boss in the room first shot because they read these messages, and so much more. ;_;
Why does everyone think "You're a bad person" is a good argument in these kind of threads ?
You: You're against mods reee
Me: *Looks at 30gb directory of FFXIV mods/custom assets* >.> <.<
What if the player expected the "I lvl up and win by default" like a turn based JRPG?
It would make it even more unfair and impossible. Would it make it fair to say DS1 is unfair and impossible???
Just think of it, you are measuring one game by "your own perspective" that accepts "DS1 as the pinnacle of what a souls game should ever be" .... when it is not, it is just 1 way it can be.
Also, ER have so many tools at player disposal that it become ludicrously the easiest of all souls games (even easier than DS2), so your "unfair, must cheat" is utter nonsense.
you can edit all of your stats, adjust damages you and/or the enemy give, health, things like movement speed.
Its pretty easy generally i mean i'm not that smart and even I can figure out how to use a mod trainer.
I think that'd be the best way to very very simply adjust the difficulty quite literally as you go, since its at the press of a button and doesn't seem to require installing mods and stuff.
The only thing it mentions is you can get soft-banned for utilizing a mod trainer online; but if you turn your stuff to offline or whatever I don't think there are any risks. But, always make sure to do some research yourself just to be safe; in case i'm wrong. Ty
"You control a DS1 char but you fight Bloodborne enemies and bosses, unfair"
"Enemies too fast, hit too hard, combo too much, impossible"
"Friede is broken, we have a Dark Souls char but are fighting Lady Maria"
Now it is ER . . . because "harder going base melee and solo = impossible"
Exactly.
Sonnenbank unfortunately seems to be a fellow countryman so I don't want to talk ♥♥♥♥ about him. But he talks ♥♥♥♥ lol
Second congrats to you for listening to bloodstains and messages, I personally look at all messages as troll messages and learn from failures on what to do the second time around to beat X part.
Third, it's not cheating your playthrough if you're playing the game to have fun. Like unless ur trying to hit a world record or something in elden ring chill out and have fun in any way you want. That's the freedom of an open world game.
Seamless alone is gonna keep people playing elden ring, hell even when the dlc drops it'll be updated unless the creators rolls over into his grave.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention RimWorld as a great mod community although the constant updates were a pain to work with.
Also when did I call you a bad person? U came at me for giving him what he wanted so I called you what you seemed like you were, it's a fair assumption. Also 30gb in FFXIV doesn't compare to my ark mod folder alone but I'm ashamed to admit it
Oh and just as an fyi I'm one of those people who skipped vanilla and went straight to modded so my "first time experience" was already better than base game. That's why I give people the mods they're looking for, but you do you.
These are not unique downloads. These are total downloads, that means, someone who downloaded the mod twice because they deleted or removed it, or they already have the mod and downloaded to update counts.
By the same token, how many of these 1 million players did their playthrough with seamless, and put down the game after ? You don't have metrics anyways, and it's impossible that everyone of these 1 million players is currently active. How many just downloaded the mod to try it, and doesn't really play it ? I downloaded it, and I don't play it, cause I would need to roll new characters/commit those I have to it, and I would lose messages and bloodstains. How many of these one million downloads is someone who isn't registered downloading from a different location ? I doubt there is even 500,000 who truly experienced seamless, I doubt there is even 100,000 people that got through a majority of the game with seamless, and I doubt there's even 10,000 people who still play the game with seamless on, and I doubt there's even 1000 people at any given time on the game actually playing with seamless. Let's say we're really generous and we go with that 1 mil figure, that's 5% of the playerbase, ~26% have cleared Ranni ending, which is fairly obtuse and difficult to get. ^^''
Seamless users are definitely a minority.
That's a common complaint I see, there is troll messages, for sure, so you need to use your brain, but on Elden Ring, you're rewarded for posting good messages and getting upvotes, you get a free heal, so yeah, people post a lot more positive message. If I do it, then surely there's a lot more players that do.
I like to recount this experience I had with messages:
On the bridge to the liurnia divine tower, there's a godskin apostle, at that point I was still iffy at the game, but my brain wanted to kill him in case of drops, so I tried real hard, and after half a dozen attempts and getting frustrated, I read a message on the ground that said "Try sleep". I made like, 8 sleep pots, was sure I wouldn't have enough, with 3 sleep pots, I managed to sleep him twice, and that was enough to kill it.
Besides that, there's so many times where I would've gotten slammed if I didn't read a message like "pincer attack ahead" prior to entering a room. This is one of the things that makes the game a lot easier that people that push mods don't seem to account for.
It is cheating your playthrough, you're never gonna convince me that it is not, whether or not you're okay with cheating is up to you. If your goal is for the dude to play the game for fun, then you might have robbed him of that. What if the best experience he could have is overcoming that "I'm bad at this game" feeling ? It's not about hitting world record either, I certainly didn't.
By the same token, if you play the game once vanilla, get that dopamine hit of the pieces falling into places and being proud of yourself for getting better, it is not ruined by modding/cheating subsequent playthroughs.
I'm arguing this because the pleasure of this game for myself and a majority of others was to overcome, it felt really good when we overcame. You don't know what the best experience for OP is, you don't know him, so logically, maybe we should encourage him to play the game the way it's meant to be played first and foremost. After all, both the EULA and Miyazaki are against this sort of thing.
And that's fine, I actually have nothing against seamless, I have a lot to say about its toxic community dunking on people who play the game as intended and encourage others to do so as well though. They often present themselves here as whiteknight swooping in to save fella when they're peddling unstable 3rd party mod that is against EULA and Miyazaki's vision. Probably should keep things like that on the downlow, if I was From, I wouldn't want to see this sort of stuff peddled on every thread. I'm not saying this because I'm against Seamless, I'm saying this the day From comes down with the hammer, you're gonna be really sad about it, and we'll never hear the end of "From broke my game" on these forums, when it's gonna be a case of "you guys brought this on yourselves".
Just want to add to this that no, Seamless is not keeping Elden Ring alive on its own. Seamless users are a minority, and the game does fantastic on its own. Man, that poor seamless maintainer that is gonna get bombarded by entitled seamless users to make it work with DLC when it comes out. ;_;
Rimworld has a great modding community, indeed, and it was more about you misrepresenting me as "You don't like mods", I actually code, friendo, and modding is what I do most with these skills, and I'm a mod enjoyer myself. It's hum.. less about the mods for me, and more about the attitude people have on these forums regarding mods. Feels like when someone asks to cheat their playthrough when they haven't even experienced the game in the first place, probably we should push him towards legit solutions first and foremost, cause we were all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pulling our hair out at the stage where OP is, and a majority of us learned, and are now cruising through the game. We also got that mad dopamine rush of realizing "Hey, this game ain't so bad, I'm not struggling anymore".
I assure you my position is not "OP needs to clear this game while flying at mach 1.5 in a f-16 over the pacific chased by two migs", it's more like "the thing I liked best about this game is realizing that the pieces have fallen into place, and I am actually good now", it happened on its own, I'm not even a sweaty edgelord rofl, I'm almost 40 years old with poor eyesight, poor reflexes and poor attention span for games. ^^''
You did not have the vanilla experience, how would you know yours was better ? This statement defeats itself, you did exactly what I'm trying to help OP avoid, you ruined your first playthrough with this kind of mods. Even if you play without mods at this point, it won't be the same, it's really hard to explain. ;_;
I think it's actually really sad that you robbed yourself of this "Hey, I got good :O" moment. It's something special that you only really get once on your first playthrough in each From game, and very few games have that. ^^'' I got it on a lesser level in some Monster Hunter titles, and that's about it.
And it is entirely too common for the "challenge = fun" types to completely and utterly disregard and reject any other way of playing games...
Still, you made a valid point that we shouldn't be parading the mods all over the place, as that just encourages the enemies of all things fun (i.e. the devs) to break them. Heck, that is what happened with the Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. Almost every single fun exploit in BotW got patched. Even in some cases breaking the immersion of the game JUST to make sure nobody could have fun in unauthorised ways.
The best ones aren't available immediately... and explaining how to get to the earlier ones might be tricky.
So... how about this...
To the East of Limgrave is Caelid... a big, disgusting, festering sore of a place. It is basically Cancer-Land. The enemies are very tough by beginning standards there, so they give a lot more runes than the enemies in Limgrave... assuming you can kill them. It also has a lot of the best loot in the game.
Now personally... I went to Lake Agheel, found the underground room full of rats... then opened the trap-chest at the end of that underground area to be dumped in a mine in Caelid. And I used that mine as a staging area for farming runes, since right outside the mine there are a bunch of giant blob things that just spew out noxious gasses, but for all their tankiness they can't move... so they're moderately easy to farm runes from.
This is cheating no matter how you look at it or if the person is having fun or not, period, even more considering one can go online with it, making it worst.
Or what, someone go, set the lvl they want, gear they want and even dual weapons at NG that would be single weapon at NG, almost infinite starshards, get the best talismans and 4 of these from the get go, set char and weapon all at twink range and go twinking for free making coops of new players at low lvl miserable (exactly what a twink want, even more a cheater twink). How is it "not cheating online"?
depends on what you want to build. A mage can get a lot of good stuff early on because of the red area east of starting map. Requires horse to reach but after 3 bonfires, accept the persons help and you get a horse and ability to lvl. Here is a guide (not 100% perfect as you could find a trap chest that takes you into the tunnels making the equipment/spells a stonetoss away. the trap chest is in the dragon ruins east of starting grace. It does require dodging this one enemy that has a multi-hit spell, which is why ill suggest following ESO guide) for a mage character. https://youtu.be/LA9lL0U4C24
For melee, samurai has a bleed katana to get started and has a few other perks. can almost start with the bleed dagger found in starting area. https://youtu.be/Bk-lBN9RChE
Could also go full bonk style. https://youtu.be/wzIZBTmsBHg
Keeping it on the downlow tho doesn't tell FromSoft that people are interested in it tho, and that a stable seamless made by them on their next game would bring in more sales. I only recently found out that the dark souls games also had a seamless coop, I would have loved to play with friends when I was running through those.
Also you seem to think I'm playing modded to make the game easier, I just gave him the easy mode mod because he asked for it, reforged actually makes the game harder if you check out a lot of it's changes, not to mention the extra phases and AI changes. If I played without mods I'd end up bored tbh, vanilla is okay but loading it with mods just lets you experience the game the way you want to play it.