Black flame and overall Pyro underperforming ? (PVE early/mid game)

[Buurt]

I heard alot of good things from blackflame for pyro build for early/mid game but yaSo I have 30 faith new and the godslayer seal + 10, I am in the lucaria area.

A fully loaded black flame deals around 450+ dmg, takes a little bit to cast and ya.
I have a +9 flamberge flame art that also deals around 450+ dmg with one single hit and with weapon art even over 1000

I kinda have to force myself to even use pyro spells because they all seem to underperform in comparison to just melee everything with a fire weapon.

Am I doing something wront or is early/mid game pyro stuff just weak even when using every talisam and seal for it ?

[Dr.Falcon]

Black Flames DoT stacks the more times it's applied. It's also a cheap cast and relatively fast spell. If you really wanted to do massive incantation damage, you need to invest more into faith. Black Flame's DoT also scaled with maximum HP, meaning bosses will take more damage over time. It's a safer playstyle that you might not like.
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Flame of the Fell God, Giant's Flame Take Thee, O' Flame, and Catch Flame are very strong. However many are found in the mid-late game. If you want to still melee, you can invest split into faith and another damage stat and buff your weapons with Black Flame or Blood Flame Blade. Flame art and Fire weapons cannot be buffed.

[gungadin22000]

You sure black flame DoTs stack? Wiki says no.

[Placidusax's Ruin]

because aow in elden ring is insane, u may often see aow in a fully upgraded weapon equal to a catalyst of 400+ spell scaling(80+int or faith or both) casting the spell version of the same aow. but some spells can be cast on horse, or at very far away or can be cast repeatedly thus increase dps or won't trigger input read by some enemies. if u want to do more damage with spells, level up ur int or faith(or arc depend on what catalyst u use)

[Havok]

Black flame on the peeler cheesed me through a few bosses and like.. every dragon. It’s for sure better In the end game though, if you’re looking at something like, the black flame fireball.

[Dr.Falcon]

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

You sure black flame DoTs stack? Wiki says no.

Maybe I was thinking about the weapon art "Black Flame Tornado". At least in my experience it seems to shred bosses because it applies the DoT multiple times. I believe the fireball just restarts the timer on the DoT every time it connects.

[Yal]

A general thing I've noticed with charged spells is that once you're in a fight, you get more DPS casting it repeatedly un-charged than if you fully charge it every time. (So for the best results, only charge it at the start of a fight and when you gotta wait for an opening anyway.)

[Martini]

Could you show us your stats

[tmg]

I prefer giantsflame take thee with fire scorpion charm, flocks canvas, godfrey icon, ritual sword. Fully charged it should do more overall damage than even black flame after the DOT.

[Buurt]

Originally posted by tmg:

I prefer giantsflame take thee with fire scorpion charm, flocks canvas, godfrey icon, ritual sword. Fully charged it should do more overall damage than even black flame after the DOT.

ya but giantsflame take thee is kinda Mid/endgame, everything before you get those skills feels kinda week pyro wise

[CourtesyFlush09]

Black Flame is an incredibly great incant., especially for enemies with bloated HP.