Why are everyone's Colosseum builds so boring!

[Akira]

i get there is meta, there has been since the days of DS1 pvp. but my god it's worse than ever before! just a bunch of copy and paste builds where everyone is wearing one of the crucible armor sets ( or bull goats cringe ) and is using 1 of 3 weapons. double spears ( or lances ), caestus, or boring old greatsword crouch pokes. there are so many different armor sets and weapons! PLS PICK SOMETHING ELSE IT IS BORING AND RUINING COLOSSEUM.

You know it's bad when i get excited to see a damn mage...

[Quadsword]

Because the power disparity between many weapons and builds in ER is huge. Dual spears with bleed and frost will win 90% of fights due to range, damage, and the ability to build status through I-frames (why is this still a thing, again?). Most builds simply don't have any good options for dealing with them.

[cridus]

Parsify eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah it's just a spell. I mean people come with these topics about builds like there are huge differences between things in this game. In ER it's almost as a colossal is same as a dagger. It's just spam anyway.

have you even watched the video? it's not just that spell, it's how it's used and what is used to combo into it or from it.

[DayLight1943]

cridus eredeti hozzászólása:

Parsify eredeti hozzászólása:

All builds are the same, people just pick the ones with better numbers. Dunno from where came this "fun build" myth.

Fact is you should not be playing this game PvP.

I use bubbles...

... and almost oneshot people with them XD

example of a fun playstyle: https://youtu.be/3wytstV6cLE

this is a good example of why the answer to these questions is often just that people find different things fun and have fun in different ways. i dont mean to be insulting or say you should play differently, but for me, that is NOT a fun playstyle at all, neither to use or fight against - you are mostly just backpedaling and shooting pew pews.

for me, a fun playstyle, both to use and fight against, is one that relies alot more on melee fundamentals - stuff like timing, spacing and punishes, and what i especially enjoy is playstyles that use alot of flashy stuff - very quick hardswaps, fishing for backstabs, etc.

thats cool you are using a unique spell like the bubble, but that would get old quick for me. its very very easy to backpedal, spam pew pews, and learn the spell/attack combos you need to create frame traps when anyone gets close. its a very low risk/low skill playstyle that mostly relies on game knowledge and the all powerful backpedal.

aside from just the novelty factor of "im using the bubbles" i dont really get what is fun about that kind of play. i would MUCH rather fight melee players using top setups like dual lance or dual ss.

[cridus]

I don't play the same way as the author of that video btw. I also use melee spells and weapons. also the bubble does NOT work by just staying far, unless the opponent is an idiot. the way I mostly use it is, I banana-cast it and try to make the opponent not mind it while I attract them in melee in the opposite direction. if it works, they will get hit by it in the back and I'll be in melee range to combo another attack in that (if they survive).
but if that fails, I'll hardly have another chance to cast it (fully-charged, at least).

[BenzoSt]

With structured 1 vs. 1 coliseum kombat, a possible solution would be to integrate into the game code special algorithms which collect data about player equipment preferences in order to systematically identify overpowered and underpowered equipment pieces, whether it be weapons, armor, spells, or talismans.

For example, if PvP coliseum players equipped with a specific piece of equipment win more than 66% of their matches, that would indicate that equipment piece would need a very slight nerf or, say, 1%. Conversely, if coliseum players win less than 33% of their matches with a specific piece of equipment, that would indicate that that specific piece of equipment would need a 1% buff. Integrate these into weekly balance patches for PvP kombat and eventually the magnitude by which the best equipment pieces outclass the worst will shrink to the point where you can play effectively with whatever build you like without worrying too much by being completely vulnerable to overpowered meta builds.

[MattyIceReviews]

Honestly the pvp is complete gank. Forget fun united and trial are status/incantation/spell spam. When you face a madness, frost, sleep or lightning spam you just stop playing because the people you are facing do not want to test their builds they want to spam crap and tea bag. Literally I waited 12 mins to walk into a group spam of this followed by another match of sleep/frost for the entire time. That's why no one plays those formats.

Duel has some variety but mostly the same dozen weapons. I'm constantly running different ashes, armor, and weapons. No power stance though as its too cheap. The entire pvp needs a balancing apart from pve balancing.

I miss the Dark Souls 2 days with all the crazy builds.

[MULTIPASS]

The most enjoyable pvp for me comes from using taunter's tongue solo to duel invaders or invading myself at off-meta levels (either sub 120 or 200+). People in those situations are often running more interesting and diverse builds and you get to fight in more fluid environments. You also get a more social experience that often evolves into something other than just tryhard dueling/ganking.

The arena is for 1v1 against sweaty double-lance chuds only.

[Facetable]

I can only guess as to why so many people use the same builds. But I usually just find it funny because they leave themselves open to hard counters

That said, I would much rather prefer to see more build diversity then to just keep stomping the same high poise thrusting weapon combos over and over again

[Shrek]

MULTIPASS eredeti hozzászólása:

The most enjoyable pvp for me comes from using taunter's tongue solo to duel invaders or invading myself at off-meta levels (either sub 120 or 200+). People in those situations are often running more interesting and diverse builds and you get to fight in more fluid environments. You also get a more social experience that often evolves into something other than just tryhard dueling/ganking.

The arena is for 1v1 against sweaty double-lance chuds only.

No ♥♥♥♥ sherlock, all the cancerous tryhards, sh*tters and glitchers that are only good at pointing down and using poke weapons are at 125-150

[Shrek]

Quadsword eredeti hozzászólása:

Because the power disparity between many weapons and builds in ER is huge. Dual spears with bleed and frost will win 90% of fights due to range, damage, and the ability to build status through I-frames (why is this still a thing, again?). Most builds simply don't have any good options for dealing with them.

Just block anyone that is using dual spears with bleed in duel, that's what I did and now I constantly have chill people that are just here to have fun

[Shrek]

♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇 eredeti hozzászólása:

cridus eredeti hozzászólása:

I use bubbles...

... and almost oneshot people with them XD

example of a fun playstyle: https://youtu.be/3wytstV6cLE

Wow, that's interesting, I have tried all schools of sorceries so far except the bubble one. ^^
I really like thorn sorceries but it doesn't feel that great unfortunately, lack of variety easily avoidable, and the damage isn't good either, I have heard that they buffed it recently but it's still not very good but it's still really fun to play though, briars of sin can one shot sometimes (note that I was using lusat as main staff with staff of the guilty off-hand and 3 talismans to boost magic damage), I'd love to see more people using them but it's asking to have both intelligence and faith unless you use that one staff that is scaling with faith but the sorcery scaling isn't that good...

Alucard TR eredeti hozzászólása:

Mages are fun to fight against when they don't use moonveil or star shower, dunno why most mages ignore carian slicer and carian piercer when they're much better than moonviel and star spamming. Aggressive mages using melee spells are what scare the most, not these passive trash with moonveil and star shower.

As someone who almost exclusively use melee spells in duels, I agree with you ! I don't understand why most mages stick to moonveil and star shower when melee magic is so much fun (and even more powerful) to play.... :/

Magma sorceries and crystal sorceries need some love too
But that's just how the game is in general
It's so unbalanced that so many things are useless even though it has a lot of potiential

[Shrek]

♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇 eredeti hozzászólása:

cridus eredeti hozzászólása:

step 1: Endure
step 2: fully charge a carian piercer right in the face of the guy wailing on you. with godfrey icon and at least one buff to magic damage, of course.

Yeah I know about that, with lusat staff and carian glinstone off-hand, you can one shot many people with a single pierce haha https://i.imgur.com/ikzaBaW.png
Carian slicer with endure is also really good.

Tbh Carian Slicer is underrated, seriously, it has the speed of a dagger and with an optimized mage build it does around 450-550 damage per slash

[♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇]

Shrek eredeti hozzászólása:

♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wow, that's interesting, I have tried all schools of sorceries so far except the bubble one. ^^
I really like thorn sorceries but it doesn't feel that great unfortunately, lack of variety easily avoidable, and the damage isn't good either, I have heard that they buffed it recently but it's still not very good but it's still really fun to play though, briars of sin can one shot sometimes (note that I was using lusat as main staff with staff of the guilty off-hand and 3 talismans to boost magic damage), I'd love to see more people using them but it's asking to have both intelligence and faith unless you use that one staff that is scaling with faith but the sorcery scaling isn't that good...


As someone who almost exclusively use melee spells in duels, I agree with you ! I don't understand why most mages stick to moonveil and star shower when melee magic is so much fun (and even more powerful) to play.... :/

Magma sorceries and crystal sorceries need some love too
But that's just how the game is in general
It's so unbalanced that so many things are useless even though it has a lot of potiential

Ah yes, shattering crystal is good too, it acts as a sort of magic shotgun, but it needs more poise damage in my opinion. Crystal Release has potiental but as it is now I just see it as a worse version of Zamor Ice Storm. :/

Shrek eredeti hozzászólása:

♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇 eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah I know about that, with lusat staff and carian glinstone off-hand, you can one shot many people with a single pierce haha https://i.imgur.com/ikzaBaW.png
Carian slicer with endure is also really good.

Tbh Carian Slicer is underrated, seriously, it has the speed of a dagger and with an optimized mage build it does around 450-550 damage per slash

It's a very amazing spell, especially when you use Carian Piercer, Gavel of Haima, and Adula's Moonblade too, melee sorceries are so much fun to play and you can do a lot of amazing and unpredictable combos with them. ^^ I don't know why most mages just stick to moonveil and star shower again, because that weapon is too easily predictable and spamming the same spell is just boring, most mages have a very passive and predictable playstyle and are very easy to deal with.

[Shrek]

♱ Remilia Scarlet 🦇 eredeti hozzászólása:

Shrek eredeti hozzászólása:

Magma sorceries and crystal sorceries need some love too
But that's just how the game is in general
It's so unbalanced that so many things are useless even though it has a lot of potiential

Ah yes, shattering crystal is good too, it acts as a sort of magic shotgun, but it needs more poise damage in my opinion. Crystal Release has potiental but as it is now I just see it as a worse version of Zamor Ice Storm. :/

Shrek eredeti hozzászólása:

Tbh Carian Slicer is underrated, seriously, it has the speed of a dagger and with an optimized mage build it does around 450-550 damage per slash

It's a very amazing spell, especially when you use Carian Piercer, Gavel of Haima, and Adula's Moonblade too, melee sorceries are so much fun to play and you can do a lot of amazing and unpredictable combos with them. ^^ I don't know why most mages just stick to moonveil and star shower again, because that weapon is too easily predictable and spamming the same spell is just boring, most mages have a very passive and predictable playstyle and are very easy to deal with.

And they always have under 1600 HP, I'm level 155 and I dunno how the ♥♥♥♥ do most mages still have a low vigor at 137 or 150, it's so easy to have both 60 vigor and 80 intelligence at this level

[cridus]

Facetable eredeti hozzászólása:

I can only guess as to why so many people use the same builds. But I usually just find it funny because they leave themselves open to hard counters

That said, I would much rather prefer to see more build diversity then to just keep stomping the same high poise thrusting weapon combos over and over again

uh, if you know hard counters for double greatspears jump L1 spam or crouch L1 spam, and double bleed spears running L1 spam, please tell. especially since shield pokes have been nerfed, otherwise I'd just use these.