It could not be Torrent in the picture

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As the title suggests I just don’t understand why nobody is questioning who the horse is. Why is it just a given that the horse is Torrent? Couldn’t it be another spirit horse that could give some insight into their species?

Just seems odd to me basically every bit of speculation I’ve seen hasn’t considered the DLC might add one or more horses which to me could be exciting.

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ChaosAvatar1 eredeti hozzászólása:

one of my gripes is the fact that you dont do much with torrent besides ride him, no upgrades, no real lore, all he is, is a mount, nothing else, more mounts or upgrades or just lore would be nice

From a game perspective I agree. Since you use him a lot, and there is even Mounted combat you would think he could be upgraded or equipped with armor. From a lore perspective though I guess he is just a spirit summon. If the theories are right though about Miquella being his creator, and former owner we might get something for him in the DLC.

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What upsets me is that he doesn't scale at all so he's too tanky in the beginning and too squishy at the end.

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Jouni eredeti hozzászólása:

burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

Why is it just a given that the horse is Torrent?

Other than looking exactly like Torrent, it's because Ranni mentioned knowing Torrent's previous owner in Limgrave without telling who it was. The picture is clearly made to hint that the previous owner is Miquella.

Here are some details to consider:
1. Ranni specifically said that Spirit Calling Bell was entrusted to her by Torrent's previous owner. This means that it was likely also created by him.
2. The handle of Spirit Calling Bell has the same branch design which is common around Haligtree.
3. Miquella was a genious who created many fantastic things.
4. I don't think that spirit animals can reproduce. Torrent might just be another creation of Miquella.

All great points but again nothing definitive to prove it. The spirits are all based off real living creatures. Maybe this is the real Torrent and we are using a spirit summon?

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Spirit summons are all dead, so the "real Torrent" died before he could be summoned.

Do it's either Torrent or there us an actual race of horned horses ... which given the mutating effects the Crucible has on critters is possible.

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I don't know, I'd like the Tarnish of No Renown to be expanded upon but the order itself serves its purpose nicely as former soldiers loyal to the "First Elden Lord" that were banished, died, resurrected, and can never truly be killed as long as thier drive never falters.


Shame that thier mission is a pure fantasy and they are merely pawns in a Queen's quest for true immortality.

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fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

Spirit summons are all dead, so the "real Torrent" died before he could be summoned.

Do it's either Torrent or there us an actual race of horned horses ... which given the mutating effects the Crucible has on critters is possible.

Yo my dude Ranni summons Renalla. The summon doesn’t have to be dead

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Mu eredeti hozzászólása:

There isn't much more horses would add to the game mechanics-wise so who cares? It already devolves into Dynasty Warriors-style combat as is when you're mounting.

It might have lore implications but an origin story for the horse isn't exactly what this game needs, not saying I'm necessarily against the idea but they should rather give the player-character a better reason to go after the Elden Ring instead of just this Tarnished nonsense.

I disagree I think they could add some ashes of war for horses and maybe even have mounted pvp. Well regardless there does seem to be a focus on the horse or else they wouldn’t have put him in the frame is my guess. I’d argue the horse combat enabled the devs to make more aggressive enemies like rune bears, I don’t really see the comparison with dynasty warriors and I’ve played those games a bunch back in the day.

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burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

Spirit summons are all dead, so the "real Torrent" died before he could be summoned.

Do it's either Torrent or there us an actual race of horned horses ... which given the mutating effects the Crucible has on critters is possible.

Yo my dude Ranni summons Renalla. The summon doesn’t have to be dead

That wasn't a summon, it was an illusion.

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fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

Yo my dude Ranni summons Renalla. The summon doesn’t have to be dead

That wasn't a summon, it was an illusion.

honestly you’re just arguing semantics at this point summon=spirits=illusions but I’ll play along if you have any sources?

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burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

That wasn't a summon, it was an illusion.

honestly you’re just arguing semantics at this point summon=spirits=illusions but I’ll play along if you have any sources?

I suppose your eyes don't count? Or the fact that Ren's second phase does things we don't see summons do anywhere else?


Or the fact that the Spirit Bell's description explains how summons work?


... But sure, let's say Ren is a "summon" and you can therefore summon living critters despite never seeing it happen anywhere else because that makes more sense. 😉

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fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

honestly you’re just arguing semantics at this point summon=spirits=illusions but I’ll play along if you have any sources?

I suppose your eyes don't count? Or the fact that Ren's second phase does things we don't see summons do anywhere else?


Or the fact that the Spirit Bell's description explains how summons work?


... But sure, let's say Ren is a "summon" and you can therefore summon living critters despite never seeing it happen anywhere else because that makes more sense. 😉

So you have no sources other than “bro trust me” ok. You say she’s an illusion when Renalla is obviously a spirit summon from Ranni in the second phase. You’re saying because it happened once it couldn’t happen again? I don’t even understand your logic bro.

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burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

I suppose your eyes don't count? Or the fact that Ren's second phase does things we don't see summons do anywhere else?


Or the fact that the Spirit Bell's description explains how summons work?


... But sure, let's say Ren is a "summon" and you can therefore summon living critters despite never seeing it happen anywhere else because that makes more sense. 😉

So you have no sources other than “bro trust me” ok. You say she’s an illusion when Renalla is obviously a spirit summon from Ranni in the second phase. You’re saying because it happened once it couldn’t happen again? I don’t even understand your logic bro.

That's okay, I don't expect you to understand that we know the rules spirit summons work under, so when we see something that violates those rules it's not a spirit summon.

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fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

I can’t find any sources so I’m going to start attacking you directly instead.

Understandable have a good day

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burn1none eredeti hozzászólása:

fauxpas eredeti hozzászólása:

I can’t find any sources so I’m going to start attacking you directly instead.

Understandable have a good day

I call it as it is and even provided sources in the form of which item descriptions provide said rules. Hardly my fault you don't care about the sources that are in game.

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No you’re actually just derailing the conversation trying to make a straw man argument about the semantics I used. This conversation is going nowhere. I think the horse could possibly be not Torrent and nothing anyone on here has said or lazily pointed to has given me any cause to change my mind