spirit ashes and summon signs

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

IMO they should be removed, simply they make the game too easy. The game is already easy enough.
Whenever im on twitch, and see someone play ER they play soooo bad and get destroyed by bosses, then they just use a spirit ash or summon a npc and win with ease.
Its like, whats the point in even playing or trying to improve or maybe even level up if u can just summon? I don't feel like u achieve anything when u just get help to beat a boss.
They play so bad and still win because of help, and then the chat spams "EZ" ofc its gona be ez when u getting carried

[Fineous🔥]

Origineel geplaatst door Tao314zdin:

Origineel geplaatst door 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

This is very sad...really sad.

We have gone from "remove the summons" to "They are easy MODE"

That is just a fact, they are the easy-mode. But what exactly is wrong with it? You have something against people playing games on easy?

You actually do and actually post around like if the game was easy by default.

Me? i helped enough people to be able to say im making a difference and improving their Elden Ring time. So yes i guess i made their game easier myself.

But please... tell me, how rationalizing something that I have posted here have you come to the conclusion that I am against the non-existent "easy" mode of Elden Ring?

[Tao314zdin]

Origineel geplaatst door 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

Origineel geplaatst door Tao314zdin:

That is just a fact, they are the easy-mode. But what exactly is wrong with it? You have something against people playing games on easy?

You actually do and actually post around like if the game was easy by default.

Me? i helped enough people to be able to say im making a difference and improving their Elden Ring time. So yes i guess i made their game easier myself.

But please... tell me, how rationalizing something that I have posted here have you come to the conclusion that I am against the non-existent "easy" mode of Elden Ring?

1) The souls games are mostly knowledge based with very minimalistic skill requirements. So yeah they are not difficult in the core and become easy if you summon.

2) Very good. I'm doing the same.

3) You somehow called it "sad", so I got an impression that you have some negative connotation associated with easy-difficulty gaming.

[Fineous🔥]

Origineel geplaatst door Tao314zdin:

Origineel geplaatst door 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

You actually do and actually post around like if the game was easy by default.

Me? i helped enough people to be able to say im making a difference and improving their Elden Ring time. So yes i guess i made their game easier myself.

But please... tell me, how rationalizing something that I have posted here have you come to the conclusion that I am against the non-existent "easy" mode of Elden Ring?

1) The souls games are mostly knowledge based with very minimalistic skill requirements. So yeah they are not difficult in the core and become easy if you summon.

2) Very good. I'm doing the same.

3) You somehow called it "sad", so I got an impression that you have some negative connotation associated with easy-difficulty gaming.

People willing to remove them or labeling as something "gamebreaking" and easy mode makes me sad. A few more things of course but what i mentioned here and another post made by the OP are the one actually making me sad here and now...

[Tao314zdin]

Origineel geplaatst door 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

Origineel geplaatst door Tao314zdin:

1) The souls games are mostly knowledge based with very minimalistic skill requirements. So yeah they are not difficult in the core and become easy if you summon.

2) Very good. I'm doing the same.

3) You somehow called it "sad", so I got an impression that you have some negative connotation associated with easy-difficulty gaming.

People willing to remove them or labeling as something "gamebreaking" and easy mode makes me sad. A few more things of course but what i mentioned here and another post made by the OP are the one actually making me sad here and now...

Oh, I missunderstood then, apology.

I as I mention find the From solution for difficulty-slider much better than actual slider in settings.

[Alby]

That Trumpets vid made my day lmfao

Also, ♥♥♥♥ opinion OP. Let others have their fun. Always some weirdo with an anime pfp trying to tell others how to play

[Grantorino]

When the game recycles the same boss over and over again, best believe I'm going to spirit summon especially when it's 2v1. It's different when the boss is a demigod.

[Scuzz]

Origineel geplaatst door Ayra:

Origineel geplaatst door |x|SiriuS|x|:

IMO this is a really silly take.

Easy solution: Don't use them if you don't like it.

Pro tip: It's really none of your business how other people enjoy their game - telling everyone that you think those things should be removed is exactly the kind of obnoxious gate keeping attempt this community is so tainted by.

Why do you care?
Aren't you chad enough when you can totes beat the game without 'easy mode' options?

I care cuz ppl can't know its considered "easy mode". If you are a new player and u see an option to summon, u will do it because u think u have to and its the proper way to play.
They don't know its supposed to be easy mode for players who cant beat it normally without help. Thus ruining their experience

Sure they know it's easy mode. If you need to summon it is easier. You probably couldn't do it otherwise. Besides, what difference does it make to your gaming experience?

[Dr.Acula]

Origineel geplaatst door Ayra:

IMO they should be removed, simply they make the game too easy. The game is already easy enough.
Whenever im on twitch, and see someone play ER they play soooo bad and get destroyed by bosses, then they just use a spirit ash or summon a npc and win with ease.
Its like, whats the point in even playing or trying to improve or maybe even level up if u can just summon? I don't feel like u achieve anything when u just get help to beat a boss.
They play so bad and still win because of help, and then the chat spams "EZ" ofc its gona be ez when u getting carried

Why do you care how someone else beats the game? It's mostly a single player game anyway. So go and do your own challenges and let others have fun the way they want to.

Btw. I beat Elden Ring using spirit summons and I'm not ashamed of it. I don't even care if you like it or not. Do you think the game would've been more fun for a player if they had to keep trying for hours on a single boss in the hopes of somehow getting the timing right that one time? You may be a masochist if you enjoy this kind of experience. A lot of others will just quit. Do you want players to quit or finish the game?

Also summons are nothing new. They existed in Dark Souls games as well. I played some Dark Souls 1 (I quit that game because I think it's actually trash) as well as completed Dark Souls 2 recently (which I consider to be much better compared to DS1 in most aspects). AI summons exist in both games. I used the summon in DS 1 fighting the gargoyles. I used summons in various boss fights in DS2. Why wouldn't I? They are there and they can be useful to win the fight.

If you don't want to use them that is your choice. If others want to use all available tools then it is their choice.

Oh and just a little note on the side:
I beat the freaking Fume Knight in the DS2 DLC. It took quite a few tries because that boss is extremely unforgiving in terms of timing and stamina management. I even had to change my hole item setup to actually defeat him. When I finally defeated him I wasn't happy about the accomplishment. I was literally just happy I was finally done with that s*** and could move on.

Is this what you want for people in Elden Ring?

[Fineous🔥]

Origineel geplaatst door Tao314zdin:

Origineel geplaatst door 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:

People willing to remove them or labeling as something "gamebreaking" and easy mode makes me sad. A few more things of course but what i mentioned here and another post made by the OP are the one actually making me sad here and now...

Oh, I missunderstood then, apology.

I as I mention find the From solution for difficulty-slider much better than actual slider in settings.

No problem my man.

Origineel geplaatst door Alby:

That Trumpets vid made my day lmfao

Also, ♥♥♥♥ opinion OP. Let others have their fun. Always some weirdo with an anime pfp trying to tell others how to play

This is now te hymn of SPIRIT ASHES ROCK.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2936851344

Mountain maaaamaaaaaaaaa.

[𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃]

Yeah they should also remove the ability to roll and reduce the damage of weapons so they only do 1 damage and completely remove spells from the game

[Heater]

That's why i only play with my elbows bro. Use my hands and the game's over too quickly

[Emily Mewens]

Hey just popping in. Curious if you need a ladder to get down from that high horse youre on. I can barely see you from down here.

[Lyrica]

Origineel geplaatst door Emily Mewens:

Hey just popping in. Curious if you need a ladder to get down from that high horse youre on. I can barely see you from down here.

Eyyy, you also can't see this person. I personally feel like the spirit summons are useful allies, they dont get stronger until you make them stronger. Those base form Lone wolves won't last three seconds against the Red Wolf of Radagon. The point of them is to provide assistance, and honestly, it works. I have a lot of fun figuring out which Ash is just right for the job, as I love to experiment. I just finished a Lightning build, where I made my character The Princess of Farum Azula, specializing in Dragon Cult incantations, The Dragonscale Blade, And the Fingerprint set, and i felt that a Princess should have a bodyguard, so i chose the Kristoff Ash, and it was incredibly fun. still really tough, but having a Tank that could step in for me when things got dicey sure was nice!


...I can't lie, I forgot my point like halfway through typing...

[Emily Mewens]

Origineel geplaatst door Lyrica:

Origineel geplaatst door Emily Mewens:

Hey just popping in. Curious if you need a ladder to get down from that high horse youre on. I can barely see you from down here.

Eyyy, you also can't see this person. I personally feel like the spirit summons are useful allies, they dont get stronger until you make them stronger. Those base form Lone wolves won't last three seconds against the Red Wolf of Radagon. The point of them is to provide assistance, and honestly, it works. I have a lot of fun figuring out which Ash is just right for the job, as I love to experiment. I just finished a Lightning build, where I made my character The Princess of Farum Azula, specializing in Dragon Cult incantations, The Dragonscale Blade, And the Fingerprint set, and i felt that a Princess should have a bodyguard, so i chose the Kristoff Ash, and it was incredibly fun. still really tough, but having a Tank that could step in for me when things got dicey sure was nice!


...I can't lie, I forgot my point like halfway through typing...

Personally, theyre there to be cool and to be used.
I use them with some playthroughs, and i dont for others.

And this is coming from someone that refuses to level vigor for most of my playthroughs, and still make it through most of the bosses without help because i dont have any cool friends :P
But just cause i know how to dodge doesnt mean other people should suffer cause the game gets too easy for me xD

[Lyrica]

Origineel geplaatst door Emily Mewens:

Origineel geplaatst door Lyrica:

Eyyy, you also can't see this person. I personally feel like the spirit summons are useful allies, they dont get stronger until you make them stronger. Those base form Lone wolves won't last three seconds against the Red Wolf of Radagon. The point of them is to provide assistance, and honestly, it works. I have a lot of fun figuring out which Ash is just right for the job, as I love to experiment. I just finished a Lightning build, where I made my character The Princess of Farum Azula, specializing in Dragon Cult incantations, The Dragonscale Blade, And the Fingerprint set, and i felt that a Princess should have a bodyguard, so i chose the Kristoff Ash, and it was incredibly fun. still really tough, but having a Tank that could step in for me when things got dicey sure was nice!


...I can't lie, I forgot my point like halfway through typing...

Personally, theyre there to be cool and to be used.
I use them with some playthroughs, and i dont for others.

And this is coming from someone that refuses to level vigor for most of my playthroughs, and still make it through most of the bosses without help because i dont have any cool friends :P
But just cause i know how to dodge doesnt mean other people should suffer cause the game gets too easy for me xD

Awww, i could join up with you sometime if you ever have trouble. I can either be a very nimble distraction or a very annoying anklebiter. Little mosquito here. :3

Except Mohg. He's the only one that always gets me. His darn Bloodflame lingering damage always gets me once in a while, plus when he grows his wings he always just keeps me out of range. :P