Best weapon for pure Int?

[MisterRed]

Basically, shortsword even with magic enhancement really isn't cutting it. Pure Faith has cipher pata and Coded Sword, is there an equivalent for magic? Like a glintstone blade or something

[MisterRed]

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Then I guess I can subtract 7 from int and put it in Vigor, get a nice 42 Vigor, which I assume is good for a mage, since my strength build has 60 Vig and tanks plenty

dont forget your stre build has plate armor ;P
id suggest you backup your save now with 130 level mage, then level it to 170 and see which performs better. I was tellin ppl on those forums 125 is meta for brutes only with no mind, noone believed me. Casters meta is 170
btw if you do not pvp it doesnt matter how much vigor you got over 40, just dont die the first second you are in the bossroom as cooperator

Thats fair. I do sometimes PVP for fun, but 99% of what I do is fight Radagon and Malenia as a cooperator. So I should generally be fine, even if I'll likely prefer my strength build when I want to PVP as a result. I mainly wanna make builds good for sunbroing and arena when I feel like it. I already have pure strength, pure faith, pure dex, and this is pure Int, so I may make some hybrids next time I get bored.

[Zerwaxle]

Carian Slicer spell is bread and butter for pure int. You'll want 11 str and 13 dex for cleanrot rapier as well.

[Senki]

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That's because they scale better and are just better in general.

16/18/38
Magic Claymore: 685 vs Dark Moon GS: 676
Magic Uchigatana: 592 vs Moonveil: 587
Magic Bandit's CS: 592 vs Wing of Astel: 509

Weird.

Numbers aren't the only thing that matters. Dark Moon has a much higher damage ash of war than anything you can have on claymore and it also has frostbite.

Same logic for the others.

[Me? Mushanga]

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That's because they scale better and are just better in general.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Senki:

Numbers aren't the only thing that matters. Dark Moon has a much higher damage ash of war than anything you can have on claymore and it also has frostbite.

Same logic for the others.

I'm talking about numbers because that's literally the first thing you said. A magic-infused weapon will (almost) always scale better than a somber weapon on a pure INT build.

Sure, Dark Moon might be better for PVE, but good luck landing a hit in PVP. I'd rather have Storm Stomp, Piercing Fang, and Sword Dance over DMGS. Is the Death Ritual Spear better than Clayman's Harpoon? Absolutely not. Moonveil is the only exception, but I think Nagakiba isn't that much worse.

Same logic for the others.

[Senki]

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I'm talking about numbers because that's literally the first thing you said. A magic-infused weapon will (almost) always scale better than a somber weapon on a pure INT build.

Sure, Dark Moon might be better for PVE, but good luck landing a hit in PVP. I'd rather have Storm Stomp, Piercing Fang, and Sword Dance over DMGS. Is the Death Ritual Spear better than Clayman's Harpoon? Absolutely not. Moonveil is the only exception, but I think Nagakiba isn't that much worse.

Same logic for the others.

No one is talking about pvp.

Also I use scaling as an ''it becomes stronger late game'' not as a thing that refers to the literal attack numbers alone. There's no point in talking only about the numbers since that's only one part of a weapon.

Like dark moon has slightly lower normal attack numbers but with the ash of war it has much bigger numbers etc. You can't compare them with the numbers in the menu alone.

[Zogtar]

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Going straight through shields, yet doesn't stagger very well. You'll be trading more than anything.

you have catch flame for stagger and other spells, we are talking pure build

Lol, you're talking out of your ass. "We're talking pure build" no we're not. You and I are talking about faith scaling weapons and their viability.

What does "Pure build" even mean to you? Would you actively avoid leveling up anything but faith?

People who do "pure" builds still put points into dex/str/arc/faith/int to meet weapon requirements. Saying they wouldn't is making a new rule up out of nowhere.

Pull your coded sword out in combat and you'll still be trading after casting catch flame. Especially with high poise enemies.

Not saying that coded sword and pata aren't viable, but I am saying they're risky against medium-high poise enemies. You can have the lighter weapons, but you'll use them a lot less than incants. You're better off using the winged scythe or any other faith weapon.

I had cipher pata as a backup weapon my third playthrough. They're just okay.

[Me? Mushanga]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Senki:

No one is talking about pvp.

You sure? What about this...

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terminator:

dont forget your stre build has plate armor ;P
id suggest you backup your save now with 130 level mage, then level it to 170 and see which performs better. I was tellin ppl on those forums 125 is meta for brutes only with no mind, noone believed me. Casters meta is 170
btw if you do not pvp it doesnt matter how much vigor you got over 40, just dont die the first second you are in the bossroom as cooperator

Thats fair. I do sometimes PVP for fun, but 99% of what I do is fight Radagon and Malenia as a cooperator. So I should generally be fine, even if I'll likely prefer my strength build when I want to PVP as a result. I mainly wanna make builds good for sunbroing and arena when I feel like it. I already have pure strength, pure faith, pure dex, and this is pure Int, so I may make some hybrids next time I get bored.

or this...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zerwaxle:

Carian Slicer spell is bread and butter for pure int. You'll want 11 str and 13 dex for cleanrot rapier as well.

hm...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terminator:

now you dont lol on me Mr!:er_angry:
on one of my playthroughs a guy cosplayin Ranni twohanded staff of renala with spinthewheel ash of war and defeated 3 invaders in a row mostly without my help also cleared the map faster than i could get to mobs

[NotForMe]

Horn Bow.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Moonveil is still broken just saying

[Zogtar]

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No one is talking about pvp.

You sure? What about this...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MisterRed:

Thats fair. I do sometimes PVP for fun, but 99% of what I do is fight Radagon and Malenia as a cooperator. So I should generally be fine, even if I'll likely prefer my strength build when I want to PVP as a result. I mainly wanna make builds good for sunbroing and arena when I feel like it. I already have pure strength, pure faith, pure dex, and this is pure Int, so I may make some hybrids next time I get bored.

or this...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zerwaxle:

Carian Slicer spell is bread and butter for pure int. You'll want 11 str and 13 dex for cleanrot rapier as well.

hm...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terminator:

now you dont lol on me Mr!:er_angry:
on one of my playthroughs a guy cosplayin Ranni twohanded staff of renala with spinthewheel ash of war and defeated 3 invaders in a row mostly without my help also cleared the map faster than i could get to mobs

Also, OP never mentioned either PVE or PVP, so idk where Senki got that idea.

Basically, we should always be talking about both PVP and PVE whenever we bring up weapon viability. Adding constraints mid conversation is reductive and unhelpful.

[Senki]

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Also, OP never mentioned either PVE or PVP, so idk where Senki got that idea.

Basically, we should always be talking about both PVP and PVE whenever we bring up weapon viability. Adding constraints mid conversation is reductive and unhelpful.

He literally said that he's looking for a weapon just to deal with trash mobs without consuming too much mana.

Unless you consider players ''trash mobs'' then this thread wasn't meant for pvp as a main topic.

[Zogtar]

I stand corrected.

[Senki]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Senki:

No one is talking about pvp.

You sure? What about this...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MisterRed:

Thats fair. I do sometimes PVP for fun, but 99% of what I do is fight Radagon and Malenia as a cooperator. So I should generally be fine, even if I'll likely prefer my strength build when I want to PVP as a result. I mainly wanna make builds good for sunbroing and arena when I feel like it. I already have pure strength, pure faith, pure dex, and this is pure Int, so I may make some hybrids next time I get bored.

or this...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zerwaxle:

Carian Slicer spell is bread and butter for pure int. You'll want 11 str and 13 dex for cleanrot rapier as well.

hm...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terminator:

now you dont lol on me Mr!
on one of my playthroughs a guy cosplayin Ranni twohanded staff of renala with spinthewheel ash of war and defeated 3 invaders in a row mostly without my help also cleared the map faster than i could get to mobs

Ok I didn't read the entire thread but I did read enough to know that OP was asking it for pve purposes. And that's what my comments were made for. So adding pvp arguments against my comments is kinda dumb.

[Me? Mushanga]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Senki:

Ok I didn't read the entire thread but I did read enough to know that OP was asking it for pve purposes. And that's what my comments were made for. So adding pvp arguments against my comments is kinda dumb.

You don't know when to quit, do you? The first guy was right. You people are too fixated on somber weapons. There's no denying that on a pure INT build, magic infusion will ALWAYS have better scaling. You're trying to backtrack your statement by saying that you meant damage potential. And your one example, the DMGS, is the only INT somber weapon with a self buff AOW that has the potential to out damage their regular weapon counterpart. Outside this one weapon you have nothing.

Wing of Astel (and most other weapons in this category) is more of a DEX INT weapon. It has 100 less AR than Bandit's CS no matter how "late game" you are. The only reason you might wanna use Wing of Astel over Bandit's CS is purely for the unique AOW, not the damage. Funnily enough this is more of a PVP thing.

Based on previous posts I assume you don't do much PVP, which is fine, but I don't think arguing with you over weapon scaling is worth the time. I've shown you the numbers and my reasoning on why magic infused weapon is better for PVE. I'm done here.

[Terminator]

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16/18/38
Magic Claymore: 685 vs Dark Moon GS: 676
Magic Uchigatana: 592 vs Moonveil: 587
Magic Bandit's CS: 592 vs Wing of Astel: 509

Weird.

Numbers aren't the only thing that matters. Dark Moon has a much higher damage ash of war than anything you can have on claymore and it also has frostbite.

Same logic for the others.

dark moon vs waves of darkness full combo on a frost claymore - nope, claymore wins
if you stick to same somber weapons your fighting style wont be flexible
And Senki i clearly stated he blasted the location with his staff AoW plus his spells INCLUDING PvP not ONLY PvP - next time spend a small amount of time to read