Selling items to kale gives too many runes, banned for 180 days? wth?

[KAKAROTO-]

A friend of mine just got banned today for 180 days from online play, and I believe him when he tells me he didnt do anything.

He started playing about 1 month ago. On his first day playing he summoned me at the first step. I was walking around with him and another friend, when he decided to go sell some cheap ass swords and daggers to Kale. He then went "OMFG! So many runes! I just leveled up a bunch from just selling trash!" And it turns out he got enough runes for around 30 levels (Didnt ask exactly how much at the time, and he doesnt remembers exactly, so its a guesstimate).

We had been playing a couple hours at most, killing basic godrick soldiers and 1 giant or 2 so...no way he had that. So we just thought there was some bug when he sold something to Kale and left it at that.

This was around 1 month ago, and today he got banned.
Also, he didnt play the entire last week. Last time he played was about 6 days ago, and today suddenly BAN.

Anyone experienced anything like this?
His English is horrible so I wrote an email for him to open a support ticket and request unban. But from what we have been seeing in forums it seems fromsoft likes banning people automatically with no way to appeal...

[Drukaris]

i really hope that person deserves your blind trust

take care of yourself and have a nice day

[dark-breed]

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Първоначално публикувано от Drukaris:

even if, you dont get banned for abusing exploits/bugs

You speak as if fromsoft had a great record of handling bans decently in Elden Ring. I take it you are not familiar with the Fia's undergarnment fiasco? Where hackers modded in an item that was not available to find in the game, duplicated it, invaded people, and dropped it for them? Back before patch 1.4 fromsoft banned anyone who had this item. So someone would invade you, drop an item, and some time later you would be banned for being a normal curious human being and picking it up.

That one is a fact.

One I heard about, but I am not so sure. Is about people being banned for abusing the jump out of bounds swing your sword for lots of runes exploit.

so far the ban for having this underpants came far later than you got the pants and with the patch that made it possible to ban ppl that have this item it got impossible to drop such hacked items.

so far there is no single ban known for using a exploit, even the exploits for jump out of bounds.
what can cause a ban according to the eula of the game, is duplicate items or multiply runes via a cheat engine offline and go online with this cheated items and this can take some time to apply:

for examble you multiplied items or runs in inventory/chest a month ago in offline mode and you go online, the items will have all the same timestamp > EAC will report this and the serverside anticheat will cause some hours till weeks a 180 days ban during this.

It is not clear how this bans get applied or at which amount they get applied but it happen for some and for others (with far less multiplied stuff) not.

[DayLight1943]

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Първоначално публикувано от Drukaris:

even if, you dont get banned for abusing exploits/bugs

You speak as if fromsoft had a great record of handling bans decently in Elden Ring. I take it you are not familiar with the Fia's undergarnment fiasco? Where hackers modded in an item that was not available to find in the game, duplicated it, invaded people, and dropped it for them? Back before patch 1.4 fromsoft banned anyone who had this item. So someone would invade you, drop an item, and some time later you would be banned for being a normal curious human being and picking it up.

That one is a fact.

One I heard about, but I am not so sure. Is about people being banned for abusing the jump out of bounds swing your sword for lots of runes exploit.

those are bans given out due to the game detecting an invalid item in a players inventory. those players were given a warning message to remove it before getting banned. you cannot get banned for normal things that are possible in game regardless of fromsofts incompetence - the game cannot tell where or how you got your runes or items, it can only tell whether the game data in your save file is legit or not - so it cant detect if you get a weapon legit or spawn it with cheat engine, but it can tell if you modify that weapons damage or stat requirements, or if you have an invalid weapon - such as cut content like fias panties or a weapon you received in a modded playthru.

its not that fromsoft is so amazing and never makes mistakes banning people - people have gotten wrongfully banned in ds3 also. its just that getting banned for the specific thing your friend is claiming is simply not possible, and getting any amount of runes up to the max you can have at one time is not detectable by EAC or ER's own anticheat measures.

[Koala 4peace]

Again, verify steam files. It may be just that.

[C1REX]

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You speak as if fromsoft had a great record of handling bans decently in Elden Ring.

You speak very defensively for someone who is supposed to be a friend but doesn't speak English

The image that probably more people have now is that your friend but more likely you got a Great Merchant mod that happens to mod Kale and no other merchant. Your friend or you asked Kale the merchant to donate you some items and got [ERROR] item from him due to not being careful and greedily take all of it quickly.
Do I have a prove? No.
Can I guestimate? I wouldn't normally do it but this unusually unnatural and defensive behaviour makes me assume that the ban was because of the Great Merchant Kale mod.

[KAKAROTO-]

Първоначално публикувано от Koala 4peace:

Again, verify steam files. It may be just that.

He already tried that, as well as reinstalled. But thanks for the idea. Now he backed up his char, reinstalled again, and started a new game, see if at some point that clears the ban. tho prolly not.

[KAKAROTO-]

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so far there is no single ban known for using a exploit, even the exploits for jump out of bounds.
what can cause a ban according to the eula of the game, is duplicate items or multiply runes via a cheat engine offline and go online with this cheated items and this can take some time to apply:

........
It is not clear how this bans get applied or at which amount they get applied but it happen for some and for others (with far less multiplied stuff) not.

Ill quote bandai's support page:

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Penalties are applied when unauthorized tampering with the game is detected. This includes illegally enhancing parameters, illegally acquiring runes, altering the game's behavior, etc.

"Illegally acquiring runes". If there is a bug to get runes, and people abuse it, it sounds like thats reason to be banned.

And not knowing how the automated system reports, it might even penalize both known and unknown bugs, depending how it determines whether if runes ere legally acquired or not.

[KAKAROTO-]

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Първоначално публикувано от KAKAROTO-:

You speak as if fromsoft had a great record of handling bans decently in Elden Ring.

You speak very defensively for someone who is supposed to be a friend but doesn't speak English

The image that probably more people have now is that your friend but more likely you got a Great Merchant mod that happens to mod Kale and no other merchant. Your friend or you asked Kale the merchant to donate you some items and got [ERROR] item from him due to not being careful and greedily take all of it quickly.
Do I have a prove? No.
Can I guestimate? I wouldn't normally do it but this unusually unnatural and defensive behaviour makes me assume that the ban was because of the Great Merchant Kale mod.

I speak defensively because I disagreed with him and gave him examples about how innocent people have been banned in the past for things 100% out of their control? If you say so. If something like that sounds "Defensive" to you. I am sure this will too.

[C1REX]

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I speak defensively because I disagreed with him and gave him examples about how innocent people have been banned in the past for things 100% out of their control? If you say so. If something like that sounds "Defensive" to you. I am sure this will too.

But you don't know if your friend is innocent. If anything you should doubt your friend and not the game that seems to never done it to anybody else.
I'm not saying that this happened but it feels like your friend or you got the Great Kale mod and accidently got [ERROR] items from him.
People who done such thing often say "you can't prove it" or "it's possible it was a legit bug".
These two statements are true but they are not direct answers. A direct answer would be "I've never done it" but guilty people avoid this answer until there is no choice because it feels so bad to lie.

[DayLight1943]

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"Illegally acquiring runes". If there is a bug to get runes, and people abuse it, it sounds like thats reason to be banned.

this is referring to using third party software like CE, by manipulating save data with save wizard, or buying them for IRL money. fromsoft's anti cheat measures do not include bugs and glitches. you cannot be banned for exploiting bugs or glitches. there is a huge speedrun community that regularly breaks the game with all kinds of glitches - AFAIK the world record is like 6min for a full playthru, and its almost entirely flying across the map and killing bosses with crazy glitches and bugs. large portions of the pvp community use glitches during gameplay, especially in ds3. *tons* of players make builds with cheat engine or with runes dropped from other players. there are several glitches that are very commonly used that can give players hundreds of thousands of runes, and tons of players use them all the time.

you cannot be banned for acquiring runes in the way your friend describes.

[Pack 4 Potatoes]

Your friend cheats PLUS he's not honest with you.

There's nothing he could sell early game that would have given him 30 levels. All armor and weapons sell for 100 runes. It doesn't matter which weapons and armor.

[Kan]

"Asking for a friend."

Classic.

[chriszewski]

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truth is his game was rigged from the start... :2018raygun:

Ring-a-ding-ding, baby

[KAKAROTO-]

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I speak defensively because I disagreed with him and gave him examples about how innocent people have been banned in the past for things 100% out of their control? If you say so. If something like that sounds "Defensive" to you. I am sure this will too.

But you don't know if your friend is innocent. If anything you should doubt your friend and not the game that seems to never done it to anybody else.
I'm not saying that this happened but it feels like your friend or you got the Great Kale mod and accidently got [ERROR] items from him.
People who done such thing often say "you can't prove it" or "it's possible it was a legit bug".
These two statements are true but they are not direct answers. A direct answer would be "I've never done it" but guilty people avoid this answer until there is no choice because it feels so bad to lie.

Well as I said I do believe he MIGHT have used mods/cheats AFTER that first day. But on the first day he just HAD NO TIME.
We were on discord from the moment he started installed the game, talking ♥♥♥♥, then he screen shared from the start of the game. I then I joined him and then we were playing all the time until that happened.

I know my friend, he is not technical. He could MAYBE work out how to install a mod, but certainly not while talking with us and while he plays the game or while its installing. And he DID get a bunch of levels for no apparent reason while playing with me in his first couple hours.

Yeah, maybe he cheated AFTER As I already said before thats 10000000% possible. But I also know he got dozens of thousands of runes at the start for no apparent reason.

[KAKAROTO-]

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Like all the items in the game ?
got a spare Bolt of Gransax maybe ?

My friend estimated he levelled up 30 times. Bolt of gransax sells for 1,000 runes according to fextralife. So..he would need some 90 of those for the amount of experience to level up that much X). I am some 150 hours in to my first run and I dont think even I have one of those :P

I think it was some sort of unknown bug.