Garden of eyes mod is 5 bucks a month?

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

Is that even legal? They're kinda reselling assets that dont belong to them fully. They altered content + created but they still need to use fromsofts assets to create them?

[Nihrahk]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por P.:

Mod Engine is an open source project, Garden of Eyes requires user to run an executable file that has nothing to do with Mod Engine and don't share any source code.

Modders have all rights to not open source theyr projects

And if you have no clue about programming you may as well think of it that way too (This being the average joe)

Not everything open source is ya know, clean?

But what do you know?

I think you're to paranoid. Just wait till it releases on Nexusmods.

Publicado originalmente por Nihrahk:

Only goes to show that they're selfish pieces of ♥♥♥♥. They don't care about the modding community, all they care about is the money they can get from people that are dumb enough to pay for mods.

Modders dont generally open source theyr own stuff to begin with to prevent theft.

I dont think thats selfish. Why shouldnt they be allowed to do this?

You open source your mods, you get clones, and ripoffs. Thats not nice to any artist too.

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Except not only they are reselling assets from other games like God of War

Source? If you can provide that, then please do, but I think you're full talk here.

It is selfish because it would help the modding community as a whole and yet they keep it all to themselves. It's at that point where you should just swallow that stupid pride and just take the risk that you get clones and ripoffs. Besides, when it comes to Garden of Eyes, they're practically doing theft themselves since they're selling their mods through patreon. They never asked FS for permission to sell their assets. All mods, in one way or another is using the assets of the original game. You could call these mods that are sold through patreon "illegal DLC" tbh. If they wanted to get paid for making mods they should have just added their mods on an actual modding website and have a donation button.

While not everyone might do so, plenty of people do decide to give out a donation for their efforts if they like what they get. Mods should always be free and never be behind a paywall, just have a donation button around as I already mentioned if you need to make money from them.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Publicado originalmente por Nihrahk:

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Modders have all rights to not open source theyr projects

And if you have no clue about programming you may as well think of it that way too (This being the average joe)

Not everything open source is ya know, clean?

But what do you know?

I think you're to paranoid. Just wait till it releases on Nexusmods.



Modders dont generally open source theyr own stuff to begin with to prevent theft.

I dont think thats selfish. Why shouldnt they be allowed to do this?

You open source your mods, you get clones, and ripoffs. Thats not nice to any artist too.


Source? If you can provide that, then please do, but I think you're full talk here.

It is selfish because it would help the modding community as a whole and yet they keep it all to themselves. It's at that point where you should just swallow that stupid pride and just take the risk that you get clones and ripoffs. Besides, when it comes to Garden of Eyes, they're practically doing theft themselves since they're selling their mods through patreon. They never asked FS for permission to sell their assets. All mods, in one way or another is using the assets of the original game. You could call these mods that are sold through patreon "illegal DLC" tbh. If they wanted to get paid for making mods they should have just added their mods on an actual modding website and have a donation button.

While not everyone might do so, plenty of people do decide to give out a donation for their efforts if they like what they get. Mods should always be free and never be behind a paywall, just have a donation button around as I already mentioned if you need to make money from them.

I didnt ask for you to 'repost' what Lolimancer did.

I asked for a source where they are actually reselling assets when it seems clear to me that the mod will be free and they just want funding o.O

I dont think it selfish. Alot of big mods tend to do this., so not sure why you think thats selfish. They have to protect theyr mods, and closed source is one way to protect mods. Its not about pride.

Doesnt cinder mod keep it closed source anyway too for instance?

If anything, this means that you're acting entitled on that when infact you're not.

Please provide source of 'reused assets' that they're selling that wont be free on Nexus? All you're doing is getting early access on patreon.

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por Nihrahk:

It is selfish because it would help the modding community as a whole and yet they keep it all to themselves. It's at that point where you should just swallow that stupid pride and just take the risk that you get clones and ripoffs. Besides, when it comes to Garden of Eyes, they're practically doing theft themselves since they're selling their mods through patreon. They never asked FS for permission to sell their assets. All mods, in one way or another is using the assets of the original game. You could call these mods that are sold through patreon "illegal DLC" tbh. If they wanted to get paid for making mods they should have just added their mods on an actual modding website and have a donation button.

While not everyone might do so, plenty of people do decide to give out a donation for their efforts if they like what they get. Mods should always be free and never be behind a paywall, just have a donation button around as I already mentioned if you need to make money from them.

I didnt ask for you to 'repost' what Lolimancer did.

I asked for a source where they are actually reselling assets when it seems clear to me that the mod will be free and they just want funding o.O

I dont think it selfish. Alot of big mods tend to do this., so not sure why you think thats selfish. They have to protect theyr mods, and closed source is one way to protect mods. Its not about pride.

Doesnt cinder mod keep it closed source anyway too for instance?

If anything, this means that you're acting entitled on that when infact you're not.

Please provide source of 'reused assets' that they're selling that wont be free on Nexus? All you're doing is getting early access on patreon.

You are the only one asking for "source" while having no clue that it has been talked about for the past year in ?ServerName?, the Seamless Co-op discord and other souls modding discord servers. How about bothering to inform yourself of what everyone that is interested in souls mod making already knows before asking for sources that are everywhere?

Good job completely ignoring everything I wrote just to ask the same thing I already answered. Also https://github.com/vawser/Cinders-DS3/tree/master, and no one is acting entitled here, seems like you are just that ignorant about the matter seeing how you are asking for the "source" of something that has been happening and has been talked about over the course of this past year. Either that or you are just a fanboy trying to defend something that has no excuse with some random thoughts without even checking if they are true first.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

I didnt ask for you to 'repost' what Lolimancer did.

I asked for a source where they are actually reselling assets when it seems clear to me that the mod will be free and they just want funding o.O

I dont think it selfish. Alot of big mods tend to do this., so not sure why you think thats selfish. They have to protect theyr mods, and closed source is one way to protect mods. Its not about pride.

Doesnt cinder mod keep it closed source anyway too for instance?

If anything, this means that you're acting entitled on that when infact you're not.

Please provide source of 'reused assets' that they're selling that wont be free on Nexus? All you're doing is getting early access on patreon.

You are the only one asking for "source" while having no clue that it has been talked about for the past year in ?ServerName?, the Seamless Co-op discord and other souls modding discord servers. How about bothering to inform yourself of what everyone that is interested in souls mod making already knows before asking for sources that are everywhere?

Good job completely ignoring everything I wrote just to ask the same thing I already answered. Also https://github.com/vawser/Cinders-DS3/tree/master, and no one is acting entitled here, seems like you are just that ignorant about the matter seeing how you are asking for the "source" of something that has been happening and has been talked about over the course of this past year. Either that or you are just a fanboy trying to defend something that has no excuse with some random thoughts without even checking if they are true first.

Hacve you even checked github? That doesnt automaticaly make it open source.. LOL

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

You are the only one asking for "source" while having no clue that it has been talked about for the past year in ?ServerName?, the Seamless Co-op discord and other souls modding discord servers. How about bothering to inform yourself of what everyone that is interested in souls mod making already knows before asking for sources that are everywhere?

Good job completely ignoring everything I wrote just to ask the same thing I already answered. Also https://github.com/vawser/Cinders-DS3/tree/master, and no one is acting entitled here, seems like you are just that ignorant about the matter seeing how you are asking for the "source" of something that has been happening and has been talked about over the course of this past year. Either that or you are just a fanboy trying to defend something that has no excuse with some random thoughts without even checking if they are true first.

Hacve you even checked github? That doesnt automaticaly make it open source.. LOL

So you have no clue, got it.

Edit: Yeah forget it, no reason to continue.

[The Commendatore]

LOL. 5 for that? I feel bad for those who pay that.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Hacve you even checked github? That doesnt automaticaly make it open source.. LOL

So you have no clue, got it.

Edit: Yeah forget it, no reason to continue.

You have no clue what open source means clearly, because that is not open source.

You just have java script files and some notefiles that are readable.

That doesnt make it afull on open source mod. Sorry to burst your bubble but Cinder's is very much closed source.

You talk, but you dont provide source.

Provide source, then talk. People talking about how a mod potentially 'reuses' assets, is just speculation.

[The Commendatore]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

So you have no clue, got it.

Edit: Yeah forget it, no reason to continue.

You have no clue what open source means clearly, because that is not open source.

You just have java script files and some notefiles that are readable.

That doesnt make it afull on open source mod. Sorry to burst your bubble but Cinder's is very much closed source.

You talk, but you dont provide source.

Provide source, then talk. People talking about how a mod potentially 'reuses' assets, is just speculation.

Habibi, you don't provide sources either in your " MuH aGE" thread. Pot meet kettle.

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

So you have no clue, got it.

Edit: Yeah forget it, no reason to continue.

You have no clue what open source means clearly, because that is not open source.

You just have java script files and some notefiles that are readable.

That doesnt make it afull on open source mod. Sorry to burst your bubble but Cinder's is very much closed source.

You talk, but you dont provide source.

Provide source, then talk. People talking about how a mod potentially 'reuses' assets, is just speculation.

For the eleventh time, I did provide the "source" you keep asking about and ignoring. But sure, I already mentioned this but I'll give you an example that is really easy to check, join the official Seamless Co-op discord and ask why Garden of Eyes is banned there, they'll tell you it's because they bundled their mod and paywalled it without even asking if they could use it for anything.
And what I was trying to point with the Cinders thing is that you can open all their files with open source tools the community has made, guess what? You can't do that with Garden of Eyes because they tamper with the files so that they can't be opened with those free tools.

Every single thing they do is shady as ♥♥♥♥, yet you keep asking for a "source", then ignore it when given, then continue asking for a "source" because you have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue about what you are talking about and probably are too salty to accept that you got scammed by them.

Try facing reality, then talk.

[Bill Waggoner™]

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

They aren't charging for the mod. They are charging for access to their patreon page which happens to include the mod, among other things, which is perfectly legal.

No one forces you to play the mod. If you are upset about the paywall, make your own mod, make it free and enjoy it with others.

Completely wrong, at least read the EULA that pops out the first time you run the game and you'll know any modding at all is not allowed.

Garden of Eyes reselling assets from other games and free work from other modders is just a ♥♥♥♥ move on their part and only an addition that has nothing to do with it, because the point is modding this game in any way is not allowed to begin with.

Except there's no way for anyone to track what you've modded as long as you don't go online.

Back to my original point, no one forces you to play the mod and no one forces you to subscribe to their patreon that happens to have the mod available.

I personally don't use mods as I only play online, but there's plenty others that do. If they see value in subscribing to their patreon, they unlock access to the mod, if they don't then life goes on.

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Completely wrong, at least read the EULA that pops out the first time you run the game and you'll know any modding at all is not allowed.

Garden of Eyes reselling assets from other games and free work from other modders is just a ♥♥♥♥ move on their part and only an addition that has nothing to do with it, because the point is modding this game in any way is not allowed to begin with.

Except there's no way for anyone to track what you've modded as long as you don't go online.

Back to my original point, no one forces you to play the mod and no one forces you to subscribe to their patreon that happens to have the mod available.

I personally don't use mods as I only play online, but there's plenty others that do. If they see value in subscribing to their patreon, they unlock access to the mod, if they don't then life goes on.

Except it's not about tracking if you modded the game or not, bruh really, read the EULA and you'll know it's about modifing the files , wheter the game can detect that or not is irrelevant. Is it fine to avoid the law if no one caughts you? No of course it's not, not that difficult to understand isn't it? It's still illegal even if no one finds out.

And FFS, I'm not even saying you shouldn't use mods, I'm only saying that it is in fact not allowed, regardless of what you want to do or not or how.

Oh and BTW, depending on what the mod changes the game can detect it after you remove it and go online, why do you think so many people got banned in the past for using mods? Because they removed the mod they were using, then played online with unusable leftover items and data in their save files.

[Bill Waggoner™]

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

Except there's no way for anyone to track what you've modded as long as you don't go online.

Back to my original point, no one forces you to play the mod and no one forces you to subscribe to their patreon that happens to have the mod available.

I personally don't use mods as I only play online, but there's plenty others that do. If they see value in subscribing to their patreon, they unlock access to the mod, if they don't then life goes on.

Except it's not about tracking if you modded the game or not, bruh really, read the EULA and you'll know it's about modifing the files , wheter the game can detect that or not is irrelevant. Is it fine to avoid the law if no one caughts you? No of course it's not, not that difficult to understand isn't it?.

And FFS, I'm not even saying you shouldn't use mods, I'm only saying that it is in fact not allowed, regardless of what you want to do or not or how.

Oh and BTW, depending on what the mod changes the game can detect it after you remove it and go online, why do you think so many people got banned in the past? Because they removed the mod, then played online with unusable leftover items and data in their save files.

If you're not trying to police what others do on their computers offline, then what are you arguing? You're in a losing position as you have no way to enforce it, no matter how many times you try to tell me to "read the EULA". What I do offline with the game is my business alone.

I don't care what mods do to my game, or the possibility of them being detected, because I don't use mods. If others wish to use them, they know the risks.

Now, tell me to "read the EULA" a 3rd time.

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Except it's not about tracking if you modded the game or not, bruh really, read the EULA and you'll know it's about modifing the files , wheter the game can detect that or not is irrelevant. Is it fine to avoid the law if no one caughts you? No of course it's not, not that difficult to understand isn't it?.

And FFS, I'm not even saying you shouldn't use mods, I'm only saying that it is in fact not allowed, regardless of what you want to do or not or how.

Oh and BTW, depending on what the mod changes the game can detect it after you remove it and go online, why do you think so many people got banned in the past? Because they removed the mod, then played online with unusable leftover items and data in their save files.

If you're not trying to police what others do on their computers offline, then what are you arguing? You're in a losing position as you have no way to enforce it, no matter how many times you try to tell me to "read the EULA". What I do offline with the game is my business alone.

I don't care what mods do to my game, or the possibility of them being detected, because I don't use mods. If others wish to use them, they know the risks.

Now, tell me to "read the EULA" a 3rd time.

Go read the EULA :)

Also read your own comment that I first replied to, maybe then you'll realize that the thing I was arguing about was you stating that there is nothing illegal about modding for reasons that had nothing to do with the actual reason that makes it not legal, which is that modding is not allowed for this game as per the EULA.

I mean, I even said that Garden of Eyes doing what they do has nothing to do with it.

[Bill Waggoner™]

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

If you're not trying to police what others do on their computers offline, then what are you arguing? You're in a losing position as you have no way to enforce it, no matter how many times you try to tell me to "read the EULA". What I do offline with the game is my business alone.

I don't care what mods do to my game, or the possibility of them being detected, because I don't use mods. If others wish to use them, they know the risks.

Now, tell me to "read the EULA" a 3rd time.

Go read the EULA :)

Also read your own comment that I first replied to, maybe then you'll realize that the thing I was arguing about was you stating that there is nothing illegal about modding for reasons that had nothing to do with the actual reason that makes it not legal, which is that modding is not allowed for this game as per the EULA.

I mean, I even said that Garden of Eyes doing what they do has nothing to do with it.

Yet people mod their game on the daily and it seems they have ignored the eula.

What else can you do besides making the inconsequential comment of "read the eula, it says not to"?

Garden of eyes will stay where it is, behind a paywall, and the people that do end up paying for access to that patreon will have ignored the eula, much to your dismay.

Perhaps try the internet police and ask them for a "backtrace". Consequences might never be the same after that.

[Lolimancer]

Publicado originalmente por Bill Waggoner™:

Publicado originalmente por Lolimancer:

Go read the EULA :)

Also read your own comment that I first replied to, maybe then you'll realize that the thing I was arguing about was you stating that there is nothing illegal about modding for reasons that had nothing to do with the actual reason that makes it not legal, which is that modding is not allowed for this game as per the EULA.

I mean, I even said that Garden of Eyes doing what they do has nothing to do with it.

Yet people mod their game on the daily and it seems they have ignored the eula.

What else can you do besides making the inconsequential comment of "read the eula, it says not to"?

Garden of eyes will stay where it is, behind a paywall, and the people that do end up paying for access to that patreon will have ignored the eula, much to your dismay.

Perhaps try the internet police and ask them for a "backtrace". Consequences might never be the same after that.

But I'm fine with people not following what the EULA dictates? Did you even read what I said or you only did for the unrelated part were I was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on Garden of Eyes and now you can't see anything else?