Can I really get banned if I convert a seamless co-op save file to regular save file?

[adacome]

been playing with a friend with seamless co-op mod, I know the mod page says it can be banned but my friend has converted his save back and forth and nothing happens to his game,

[GoreTiger]

Oh cool I just noticed my ban was revoked. Guess whoever the trigger happy fromsofty moderator is finally got their ego checked.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DayLight1943:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

Seamless isn't cheating, but the game bans anything revolving around mods. The summoning tools in seamless are modded items which is what triggers this.

bandai namco and fromsoft both consider any mod use to be cheating and will confirm this if you email their customer service addresses, and they have confirmed this several times in the past regarding ds3 mods. id guess that the actual people in fromsoftware dont care about mods, and maybe even are in favor of modding and the modding scene, but the official position is modding = cheating.

from the perspective of many souls players, cheating means using third party tools that effect multiplayer, but is it cheating to use a trainer mod that gives god mode in single player? many would say yes, its a third party tool that significantly changes gameplay and makes the game easier. seamless co-op is a third party tool that significantly changes gameplay and makes the game easier.

None of that matters, It's just legal mumbo Jumbo. I could download a big jiggly breast physics mod and Namco would consider that cheating under their legal terms, Even tho nothing about that actually gives me a cheater's advantage.

It's funny tho seeing the lengths the copetrain will stretch in order to slander a mod that made the game better.

[GoreTiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

Yes it's cheating since you remove the invade part and don't play by the game and dev's rules, who exist to counterbalance the easy way to cheese everything with friends. Yes the item's are flaged and if you transfer to a normal save you will be ban ( softban ).

Why just don't playing it the way intended ?

No it's not. You've already been fact checked on this a dozen times, give it up already.

[ressenmacher]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

Yes it's cheating since you remove the invade part and don't play by the game and dev's rules, who exist to counterbalance the easy way to cheese everything with friends. Yes the item's are flaged and if you transfer to a normal save you will be ban ( softban ).

Why just don't playing it the way intended ?

No it's not. You've already been fact checked on this a dozen times, give it up already.

It's not...wrong...to say seamless coop is cheating, but in a lot of cases It's like saying "I'm selling a car for tweny bucks!" and then demanding to be paid in male deer when customers approach you - the statement is true on a technical level, but it's manipulative because it's being used in a misleading context to get the reader to draw a reasonable but incorrect conclusion.

The problem is that "cheating" is a hugely loaded term in gaming and is most strongly associated with cheating for an advantage in PvP games. By specifically denigrating the coop mod as a "cheat" people are able to pass negative moral judgements or implications on its users and bypass the part where it's a cheat in the same way a bunch of other mods they conveniently almost never have anything bad to say about like overhauls and shop mods and what have you are.

[Ashenran]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

Yes it's cheating since you remove the invade part and don't play by the game and dev's rules, who exist to counterbalance the easy way to cheese everything with friends. Yes the item's are flaged and if you transfer to a normal save you will be ban ( softban ).

Why just don't playing it the way intended ?

No it's not. You've already been fact checked on this a dozen times, give it up already.

you change the game rules at you're advantage only it's cheating simple as that.
Did the game rules are * you can choose option to not get invaded if you co-op* ? No. Game rules are * if you co-op you can be invaded * deleting invasion while keeping co-op is cheat that's all. Be in you're dream if you want but it is what it is. Theire is no point to play co-op if you can't get invaded since invasion is the part of fun and tens for that.

[Dragonirian]

Yes you can.
Your only options are either create a new character or wait for Seamless Baby Difficulty to uptade for the dlc. You might have to wait several months if a colleseum update os of any indicator, as well as lack of updates for several game versions.

[Dragonirian]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย brownie689:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Shinkiro:

Oh look, the same thing you always do in every thread, attack and berate others directly or indirect, who don't agree with your selfish and arrogant opinion and whiny demands.

You're 100x worse than any of the "gatekeepers".



What stupid logic, the file isn't checked for authenticity offline because it naturally cannot be, and will be flagged and deemed invalid the moment it is, as much as you think otherwise, you have a cheated save as the developers deem it so.

The singleplayer isn't just limited to offline, so your entire point is worthless, but whatever you have to believe to make yourself feel better lol.

It's not cheating. Stop crying, pull your tampon out, and leave this thread. Adults are talking here. The coop mod has more players than the regular version of this game just FYI.

Using 3rd party software (including mods) to remove challenge from the game (in that case invasions) is in fact cheating.

[GoreTiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

No it's not. You've already been fact checked on this a dozen times, give it up already.

you change the game rules at you're advantage only it's cheating simple as that.
Did the game rules are * you can choose option to not get invaded if you co-op* ? No. Game rules are * if you co-op you can be invaded * deleting invasion while keeping co-op is cheat that's all. Be in you're dream if you want but it is what it is. Theire is no point to play co-op if you can't get invaded since invasion is the part of fun and tens for that.

No it's not. You keep waving that around. The game doesn't change the difficulty it just takes away the stupid curtains that block full coop.

So if I download seamless, and then download the extra difficulty mod that makes the game 5 times harder then the regular game, am I suddenly not cheating anymore? Is that good enough for you?

Your invader tears are pretty crisp, Keep them flowing. Invasions are stupid to begin with and multiplayer is an unbalanced mess. Don't call people cheaters because they don't want to deal with a broken system. Next you're going to call people who cheese cheaters as well.

[Wushiba]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

you change the game rules at you're advantage only it's cheating simple as that.
Did the game rules are * you can choose option to not get invaded if you co-op* ? No. Game rules are * if you co-op you can be invaded * deleting invasion while keeping co-op is cheat that's all. Be in you're dream if you want but it is what it is. Theire is no point to play co-op if you can't get invaded since invasion is the part of fun and tens for that.

No it's not. You keep waving that around. The game doesn't change the difficulty it just takes away the stupid curtains that block full coop.

So if I download seamless, and then download the extra difficulty mod that makes the game 5 times harder then the regular game, am I suddenly not cheating anymore? Is that good enough for you?

Your invader tears are pretty crisp, Keep them flowing. Invasions are stupid to begin with and multiplayer is an unbalanced mess. Don't call people cheaters because they don't want to deal with a broken system. Next you're going to call people who cheese cheaters as well.

Well maybe cheating is a harsh word for it but your logic is flawed. With the coop mode you are not playing by the game's rules. One of those rules is that you cannot coop everywhere. Another rule is that you will get invaded in coop play. Breaking or removing the rules is the literal definition of cheating.

[Sonnenbank]

Its so funny that many people here have 0 idea what they talking about...

like you will get banned for seamless coop items...
rofl

the seamless coop items get injected on startup of the mod and removed on closing the mod
they are not part of the save file !

So if you do load a seamless coop safe on normal ER you dont have these items since then they dont get injected...

[GoreTiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sonnenbank:

Its so funny that many people here have 0 idea what they talking about...

like you will get banned for seamless coop items...
rofl

the seamless coop items get injected on startup of the mod and removed on closing the mod
they are not part of the save file !

So if you do load a seamless coop safe on normal ER you dont have these items since then they dont get injected...

Uh, The mod creator himself stated don't use seamless saves with the normal game, Because the summoning tool is considered a modded item and can lead to being auto-banned.

[Dragonirian]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

So if I download seamless

That would be cheating.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

and then download the extra difficulty mod that makes the game 5 times harder then the regular game

Still cheating but with additional coping.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

Your invader tears are pretty crisp, Keep them flowing.

Deliscious projection.

[Ashenran]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ashenran:

you change the game rules at you're advantage only it's cheating simple as that.
Did the game rules are * you can choose option to not get invaded if you co-op* ? No. Game rules are * if you co-op you can be invaded * deleting invasion while keeping co-op is cheat that's all. Be in you're dream if you want but it is what it is. Theire is no point to play co-op if you can't get invaded since invasion is the part of fun and tens for that.

No it's not. You keep waving that around. The game doesn't change the difficulty it just takes away the stupid curtains that block full coop.

So if I download seamless, and then download the extra difficulty mod that makes the game 5 times harder then the regular game, am I suddenly not cheating anymore? Is that good enough for you?

Your invader tears are pretty crisp, Keep them flowing. Invasions are stupid to begin with and multiplayer is an unbalanced mess. Don't call people cheaters because they don't want to deal with a broken system. Next you're going to call people who cheese cheaters as well.

as we say, it's a cheat, you remove the fact that you can be invaded by real players who is a part of the co-op system. That's all. Learn to grow up. Oh and i invade yes, but between 125> 200 where everyone is build up. Anime players never assume cheating or the point we show with real fact, it's crazy. And + AI can be cheese at any difficulty, any level, with any tools etc. Not players.

[Wushiba]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

"as we say" No, As you say. You've been checked on this by multiple people, Now you're just spewing it to be obnoxious.

So keep those salty tears coming. I hope the mod keeps you awake at night.

Those multiple people are wrong though. It's just reality that invasions are part of the game, if you remove part of the game then you are not playing by the game's rules.

[GoreTiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wushiba:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

"as we say" No, As you say. You've been checked on this by multiple people, Now you're just spewing it to be obnoxious.

So keep those salty tears coming. I hope the mod keeps you awake at night.

Those multiple people are wrong though. It's just reality that invasions is part of the game, if you remove part of the game then you are not playing by the game's rules.

Not true, Not to mention that Invasions is a terrible system which is why most don't want to deal with it anyways.

It's honestly weird that invaders get so upset about the mod to begin with. They have this illusion in their minds that the mod is to blame for the multiplayer being dead. In reality, the mod has nothing to do with that. The people who're cooping with the mod to avoid invasions, probably wouldn't bother cooping at all in the main game. The people playing the mod are specifically people who don't want anything to do with multiplayer. Invaders are just forced to accept the cold reality that this game's pvp is doodoo.

Also it's worth mentioning that the mod is better for playing other mods with your friends as well. Like the randomizer or the 5 times difficulty mod, etc.

[Wushiba]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GoreTiger:

Not true, Not to mention that Invasions is a terrible system which is why most don't want to deal with it anyways.

What do you mean not true? How is it not true? I said invasions are part of the game. You said "not true". It just doesn't make any sense.

Just because you think its a terrible system that doesn't make it terrible for everyone, if you don't like it that doesn't mean it's bad. It's also irrelevant in the argument if you like the system or not.

I've copyied the following from a Dark Souls 1 discussion, thanks to CB for it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/r78htf/miyazaki_says_invaders_are_not_meant_to_win/

(ignore the 'invaders are not meant to win' part, this is debunked in the thread itself)

There is a quote from Miyazaki that goes like:
"the *invasion* game-play experience should be similar to an offline single player game with a very strong enemy popping up randomly."

Invaders are suppose to be like mini bosses you encounter, removing them is not playing by the rules, ergo why people call it cheating. It's like skipping a difficult boss encounter when you are meant to beat it. That's literally cheating.