People who like Malenia as a character

[QuentinTeo]

Why? What do you appreciate in her? I really don't understand: she claims to be undefeated, while she almost lost to Radahan and then she nuked Caelid to cover herself and, basically, maintain her status. Moreover, when she kills you she just flexes how much she's strong or how you shall rot, but when you kill her she's all "oh, tarnished, I admit my loss" etc etc. Where is her charm?

[Lucasbaku]

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"Whatever it wants, we know it can't be good since the Blue Swordsman (Malenia's mentor) had to seal him away long ago. You wouldn't banish a nice god, would you lol?"

I don't know, we don't know the blue swordsman also, why are you assuming he is a good guy? This is a weird assumption

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"That's a stretch. Her blooming and transitioning to her second phase didn't show us that she "accepted" the rot as something that's part of herself. Instead, it showed her repeating the same exact mistake she made during her fight with Radahn. She got desperate again and had "no choice" but to resort to the power of the Outer God to try to beat her opponent, no matter the cost. "

What you said is a stretch, we see NO signs of any kind of desperation at malenia side, and based on the CGI trailer, she can only use the flower after a fatal strike (we can see blood in her sword), this ain't some kind of ssj transformation where she decides when to use it

And how using the rot is a "mistake"?

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself."

It says she will become a goddess of rot, yes. But nowhere it's stated the god of rot part, you're making this up

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something."

Yes, and she also says "Let your flesh be consumed, by the scarlet rot" when she kills you, giving a idea that she didn't used it for simple "desperation", she is still herself and for being "herself", is why we receive her praise after the battle.

[hemorrhage911]

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İlk olarak hemorrhage911 tarafından gönderildi:

That's talking about it happening at the swamp, not that it's the first bloom to have ever happened. Malenia is not the only one who can bloom anyways and she is not the first in her line to be infected with the rot. There is also blooming happening in the Haligtree, and the speculation is that it was NOT Malenia who bloomed there.

But now that I think about it some more (lol), Millicent says this:

"There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot. The pride she abandoned, to meet Radahn's measure."

This suggests that she never bloomed before Radahn because her pride and dignity prevented her from doing so. She resisted it up until she met the big guy.

Yeah, I mentioned that a bit earlier - her pride being hit makes it seem as though that is the first time she bloomed, her remembrance says twice, but I am almost certain she became a goddess midfight with us. I see no reason why she wouldn't bloom once more against us if that was only the second time and why it went from blade to calling her a goddess UNLESS she finally embraced the rot and what she would inevitably become...but that brings me back to, why not just go into the final form and become a full-on goddess?

[CourtesyFlush09]

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İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"Whatever it wants, we know it can't be good since the Blue Swordsman (Malenia's mentor) had to seal him away long ago. You wouldn't banish a nice god, would you lol?"

I don't know, we don't know the blue swordsman also, why are you assuming he is a good guy? This is a weird assumption

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"That's a stretch. Her blooming and transitioning to her second phase didn't show us that she "accepted" the rot as something that's part of herself. Instead, it showed her repeating the same exact mistake she made during her fight with Radahn. She got desperate again and had "no choice" but to resort to the power of the Outer God to try to beat her opponent, no matter the cost. "

What you said is a stretch, we see NO signs of any kind of desperation at malenia side, and based on the CGI trailer, she can only use the flower after a fatal strike (we can see blood in her sword), this ain't some kind of ssj transformation where she decides when to use it

And how using the rot is a "mistake"?

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself."

It says she will become a goddess of rot, yes. But nowhere it's stated the god of rot part, you're making this up

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

"If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something."

Yes, and she also says "Let your flesh be consumed, by the scarlet rot" when she kills you, giving a idea that she didn't used it for simple "desperation", she is still herself and for being "herself", is why we receive her praise after the battle.

This is all kinda "out there" and i really don't feel like refuting each point, but as for this one:

İlk olarak Lucasbaku tarafından gönderildi:

we see NO signs of any kind of desperation at malenia side, and based on the CGI trailer, she can only use the flower after a fatal strike (we can see blood in her sword), this ain't some kind of ssj transformation where she decides when to use it

Bro what are you talking about? Wouldn't a fatal strike warrant a last-ditch, desperate move from anyone on the receiving end of it?

My point is that it looks like Malenia can only bloom when's she desperate or hurt enough (which you ironically agreed with via your "ssj transformation" comment lol?) We know this in two ways: from Millicent when she confirms that Malenia abandoned her pride and dignity to "meet Radahn's measure" (aka she had to bloom to stand a chance against him). And when we ourselves beat her in her first phase.

And as for your question as to why using the Rot is a mistake, I kindly ask you to go visit Caelid whenever you can.

[CourtesyFlush09]

İlk olarak hemorrhage911 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

But now that I think about it some more (lol), Millicent says this:

"There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot. The pride she abandoned, to meet Radahn's measure."

This suggests that she never bloomed before Radahn because her pride and dignity prevented her from doing so. She resisted it up until she met the big guy.

Yeah, I mentioned that a bit earlier - her pride being hit makes it seem as though that is the first time she bloomed, her remembrance says twice, but I am almost certain she became a goddess midfight with us. I see no reason why she wouldn't bloom once more against us if that was only the second time and why it went from blade to calling her a goddess UNLESS she finally embraced the rot and what she would inevitably become...but that brings me back to, why not just go into the final form and become a full-on goddess?

What makes it even more confusing is the Scarlet Aeonia description:

"Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess."

That "true" is very interesting and leads me to believe that the Goddess we fight in phase 2 isn't actually her final form. Her last form might actually be the Outer God of Rot itself (aka the "true" god.)

[GoreTiger]

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak hemorrhage911 tarafından gönderildi:

Yeah, I mentioned that a bit earlier - her pride being hit makes it seem as though that is the first time she bloomed, her remembrance says twice, but I am almost certain she became a goddess midfight with us. I see no reason why she wouldn't bloom once more against us if that was only the second time and why it went from blade to calling her a goddess UNLESS she finally embraced the rot and what she would inevitably become...but that brings me back to, why not just go into the final form and become a full-on goddess?

What makes it even more confusing is the Scarlet Aeonia description:

"Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess."

That "true" is very interesting and leads me to believe that the Goddess we fight in phase 2 isn't actually her final form. Her last form might actually be the successor of the Outer God of Rot itself (aka the "true" god.)

There are quite a few times the game contradicts itself in both spoken and written lore

Watch her last form just be a giant scarlet rot tree lmao.

[hemorrhage911]

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İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

What makes it even more confusing is the Scarlet Aeonia description:

"Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess."

That "true" is very interesting and leads me to believe that the Goddess we fight in phase 2 isn't actually her final form. Her last form might actually be the successor of the Outer God of Rot itself (aka the "true" god.)

There are quite a few times the game contradicts itself in both spoken and written lore

Watch her last form just be a giant scarlet rot tree lmao.

it's possible that's what it is - I'm also interested to see what happens in the area where she bloomed the second time. It's implied that Millicent came from the first bloom, so will more powerful spawns grow from that second bloom? If so....that's pretty scary.

[CourtesyFlush09]

İlk olarak GoreTiger tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

What makes it even more confusing is the Scarlet Aeonia description:

"Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess."

That "true" is very interesting and leads me to believe that the Goddess we fight in phase 2 isn't actually her final form. Her last form might actually be the successor of the Outer God of Rot itself (aka the "true" god.)

There are quite a few times the game contradicts itself in both spoken and written lore

Watch her last form just be a giant scarlet rot tree lmao.

Rot-Rotted Greatwood confirmed.

[Lucasbaku]

İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

Bro what are you talking about? Wouldn't a fatal strike warrant a last-ditch, desperate move from anyone on the receiving end of it?

My point is that it looks like Malenia can only bloom when's she desperate or hurt enough (which you ironically agreed with via your "ssj transformation" comment lol?) We know this in two ways: from Millicent when she confirms that Malenia abandoned her pride and dignity to "meet Radahn's measure" (aka she had to bloom to stand a chance against him). And when we ourselves beat her in her first phase.

And as for your question as to why using the Rot is a mistake, I kindly ask you to go visit Caelid whenever you can.

A desperate move is something like frieza attack on goku in namek

A SSJ transformation can happen literally anytime they want?? Or are you talking about the first time? If that's the case, you would still be very wrong lol

If you understood the cycle of rot explained by gowry, you would understand what i meant by "fatal strike", but since this is not the case, i'm not going waste my time here anymore, just wanted to answer this little part here......

The game leaves as clear as possible, that malenia had to use the flower to BREAK the stalemate she and radahn were stuck in, she didn't had to bloom to stand a chance against him, saying that makes it look like malenia was totally overwhelmed by radahn, which wasn't the case.

Caelid? What's wrong with it? It seems to be changing in the exact way gowry explained, the older life is dying and after going through the rot, they are reborn and a new life is grown

Why? Do you simply think just because red is the main colour there, it's simply destroying everything and GG? lol.

[CourtesyFlush09]

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İlk olarak CourtesyFlush90 tarafından gönderildi:

Bro what are you talking about? Wouldn't a fatal strike warrant a last-ditch, desperate move from anyone on the receiving end of it?

My point is that it looks like Malenia can only bloom when's she desperate or hurt enough (which you ironically agreed with via your "ssj transformation" comment lol?) We know this in two ways: from Millicent when she confirms that Malenia abandoned her pride and dignity to "meet Radahn's measure" (aka she had to bloom to stand a chance against him). And when we ourselves beat her in her first phase.

And as for your question as to why using the Rot is a mistake, I kindly ask you to go visit Caelid whenever you can.

A desperate move is something like frieza attack on goku in namek

A SSJ transformation can happen literally anytime they want?? Or are you talking about the first time? If that's the case, you would still be very wrong lol

If you understood the cycle of rot explained by gowry, you would understand what i meant by "fatal strike", but since this is not the case, i'm not going waste my time here anymore, just wanted to answer this little part here......

The game leaves as clear as possible, that malenia had to use the flower to BREAK the stalemate she and radahn were stuck in, she didn't had to bloom to stand a chance against him, saying that makes it look like malenia was totally overwhelmed by radahn, which wasn't the case.

Caelid? What's wrong with it? It seems to be changing in the exact way gowry explained, the older life is dying and after going through the rot, they are reborn and a new life is grown

Why? Do you simply think just because red is the main colour there, it's simply destroying everything and GG? lol.

It sounds like you fell for Gowry's (and by extension, the Outer God of Rot's) propaganda.

Yes, he believes in the cycle of death and rebirth, but what you forget is that the Rot itself is the imposed catalyst for that death. There's nothing natural about it. And it's really, really nasty (see what it's doing to poor Malenia, or even Greyoll?) It's more akin to a forced cleansing than a natural death and rebirth cycle. It's so nasty, in fact, that it led to Miquella developing the needle to keep it at bay in his sister. As to this point:

İlk olarak Lucasbaku tarafından gönderildi:

The game leaves as clear as possible, that malenia had to use the flower to BREAK the stalemate she and radahn were stuck in,

No, it doesn't. For the 100th time, we know from Millicent that Malenia abandoned her pride and dignity "to meet Radahn's measure." What does that mean? It means she gave into her Rot in an attempt to get on his level (i.e. "meet his measure"). In doing so, she abandons the pride she was trying so hard to hold unto by containing the Rot within herself.

The stalemate comes AFTER she blooms on Radahn, with Radahn losing his mind and Malenia losing her former "sense of self" as stated by Millicent. But we also know that Malenia ends up losing much more than that; for example, she ironically loses her brother to Mogh while she's busy fighting Radahn. That's what the narrator (Rani) of the cinematic means when she says there was no victor that day (aka the stalemate).

Do people purposely choose to ignore Millicent's existence, or something?

[Fitness Lauch]

I don't know why she gets that much hate. I'm not too deep into the lore but my view is something like this: Mogh kidnapped Miquella and she followed him to Caelid. She didn't know that Mogh hided under Caelid and therefore assumed that Radahn took Miquella, which is a reasonable thing to assume since Radahn was a warmonger who wanted to take over the throne (just like the other demi gods). Blowing up Caelid was out of pure desperation when she became aware that she's losing to be person who she thinks took away her little brother who she has sworn to protect.

I don't consider her to be evil, she mostly cares about her brother (when you kill her she just feels sorry about not being able to save her brother) and she spared Godrick despite Godrick being a total douchebag who even insulted her.

[GoreTiger]

İlk olarak Fitness Lauch tarafından gönderildi:

I don't know why she gets that much hate. I'm not too deep into the lore but my view is something like this: Mogh kidnapped Miquella and she followed him to Caelid. She didn't know that Mogh hided under Caelid and therefore assumed that Radahn took Miquella, which is a reasonable thing to assume since Radahn was a warmonger who wanted to take over the throne (just like the other demi gods). Blowing up Caelid was out of pure desperation when she became aware that she's losing to be person who she thinks took away her little brother who she has sworn to protect.

I don't consider her to be evil, she mostly cares about her brother (when you kill her she just feels sorry about not being able to save her brother) and she spared Godrick despite Godrick being a total douchebag who even insulted her.

Where did you get that she went to caelid in pursuit of mogh?
Nobody knew where mogh was, Except varres. She had no way of knowing where he was either, Nor that he was the one who took miquella.
Plus I believe mogh took him AFTER melenia left to face radahn.

She's evil in the sense that she completely wiped out a massive part of the land out of pure ego and desperation. Radahn made her bow just like she made Godrick bow.

[CourtesyFlush09]

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İlk olarak Fitness Lauch tarafından gönderildi:

I don't know why she gets that much hate. I'm not too deep into the lore but my view is something like this: Mogh kidnapped Miquella and she followed him to Caelid. She didn't know that Mogh hided under Caelid and therefore assumed that Radahn took Miquella, which is a reasonable thing to assume since Radahn was a warmonger who wanted to take over the throne (just like the other demi gods). Blowing up Caelid was out of pure desperation when she became aware that she's losing to be person who she thinks took away her little brother who she has sworn to protect.

I don't consider her to be evil, she mostly cares about her brother (when you kill her she just feels sorry about not being able to save her brother) and she spared Godrick despite Godrick being a total douchebag who even insulted her.

Where did you get that she went to caelid in pursuit of mogh?
Nobody knew where mogh was, Except varres. She had no way of knowing where he was either, Nor that he was the one who took miquella.
Plus I believe mogh took him AFTER melenia left to face radahn.

She's evil in the sense that she completely wiped out a massive part of the land out of pure ego and desperation. Radahn made her bow just like she made Godrick bow.

Yeah, a lot of what Fitness Lauch said just isn't supported by the game (sorry, Lauch!).

But there's nothing wrong with head cannon (just as long as you don't try to pass it off as official lol)

[GoreTiger]

I wouldn't rule out the POSSIBILITY that she could of known about mogh because I mean, if there IS a missing piece of evidence about what he said, the other pieces still fall in place as well.
But the main evidence suggests melenia went after Radahn out of fear that he'd come out miquella's ruin piece.

[GoreTiger]

İlk olarak Nouka tarafından gönderildi:

-Miquella need an eclipse to help his brother and twin sister and usher a new era with his own tree of rebirth

-Radahn "conquered the stars" to protect Selia

-To help Miquella, Malenia needs to defeat Radahn to unfreeze those celestial bodies

-Stalemate, Malenia bloom and the rot get in Radahn but he survives. Malenia fell in a coma of sort and is brought back by the knight Finlay to the Haligtree but...

-*insert Mogh shenanigan here*

Radahn controls the stars but he doesn't control the moon, Malenia would need to go after the royal family for that.

[CourtesyFlush09]

İlk olarak Nouka tarafından gönderildi:

It's not about the moon but the eclipsed sun.

Do you know what a solar eclipse is?