People who like Malenia as a character

[QuentinTeo]

Why? What do you appreciate in her? I really don't understand: she claims to be undefeated, while she almost lost to Radahan and then she nuked Caelid to cover herself and, basically, maintain her status. Moreover, when she kills you she just flexes how much she's strong or how you shall rot, but when you kill her she's all "oh, tarnished, I admit my loss" etc etc. Where is her charm?

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by 5chneemensch:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

I would say Radahn fighting style is very braindead, like a controller mashing spam while being somewhat erratic.

What does that have to do with Leonard existing and his magic being held?

It do have to do with him being braindead, but fighting Malenia she is very controlled of her own actions and combat pace as a duel.

[5chneemensch]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by 5chneemensch:

What does that have to do with Leonard existing and his magic being held?

It do have to do with him being braindead, but fighting Malenia she is very controlled of her own actions and combat pace as a duel.

Stop trying to shift the narrative. If he was braindead, he would eat Leonard and make the stars fall again.

No one cares about his fighting style.

[hemorrhage911]

Originally posted by 5chneemensch:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

It do have to do with him being braindead, but fighting Malenia she is very controlled of her own actions and combat pace as a duel.

Stop trying to shift the narrative. If he was braindead, he would eat Leonard and make the stars fall again.

No one cares about his fighting style.

> Narrator tells you his wits are gone in a special cutscene just for pony boy
> "NUH UH WRONG"

Steam forums, they are entertaining.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Lucasbaku:

We don't know what the god of rot truly wants,

Whatever it wants, we know it can't be good since the Blue Swordsman (Malenia's mentor) had to seal him away long ago. You wouldn't banish a nice god, would you lol?

Originally posted by Lucasbaku:

IMO, malenia transition to second phase showed us that she accepted the rot as something that is part of herself, and she can't be blade of miquella no more (her name changed for a reason, right?)

That's a stretch. Her blooming and transitioning to her second phase didn't show us that she "accepted" the rot as something that's part of herself. Instead, it showed her repeating the same exact mistake she made during her fight with Radahn. She got desperate again and had "no choice" but to resort to the power of the Outer God to try to beat her opponent, no matter the cost.

Originally posted by Lucasbaku:

Plus, her defeat speech gives us a hint that even after "accepting" the rot, she still is the same warrior as before, but since she ain't the "blade of miquella who never knew defeat",

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself.

If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something.

[Facetable]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself.

If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something.

I’m pretty sure that she did bloom 3 times:

The first is the bloom we find at the base of the Haligtree, which is likely the source of the scarlet rot that exists in the Haligtree (not the one in her boss room after the fight, it’s the one in the room next to the hall leading to her)

The second was during the fight with Radahn which created the scarlet aeonia

The third is during her boss fight. Hence why she is named “Goddess of Rot” at that point.

I might be wrong about the order of the first 2 blooms but it doesn’t really make sense to refer to her as a goddess if she needed an additional bloom

[5chneemensch]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by 5chneemensch:

Stop trying to shift the narrative. If he was braindead, he would eat Leonard and make the stars fall again.

No one cares about his fighting style.

> Narrator tells you his wits are gone in a special cutscene just for pony boy
> "NUH UH WRONG"

Steam forums, they are entertaining.

Feel free to explain why someone who has lost his mind and couldn't tell friend from foe would not eat Leonard and still manages to keep his spell active for no good reason.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Facetable:

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself.

If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something.

I’m pretty sure that she did bloom 3 times:

The first is the bloom we find at the base of the Haligtree, which is likely the source of the scarlet rot that exists in the Haligtree

The second was during the fight with Radahn which created the scarlet aeonia

The third is during her boss fight. Hence why she is named “Goddess of Rot” at that point. It doesn’t really make sense to refer to her as such if she needed an additional bloom

To my knowledge, she has only bloomed twice: during her fight with Radahn and then while fighting you.

The flower that appears at the base of the Haligtree appears after you beat her. That suggests that it will be the third bloom.

There seems to be some inconsistency in regards to her name as the Goddess of Rot. After you beat her, you get the message "Legend Felled," not "God Slain" iirc. One of her item descriptions (or maybe her remembrance, I forget) is written in a tense that suggests she is yet to become a true God

[hemorrhage911]

Originally posted by Facetable:

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

The reason she still has her wits about her during the second phase is because she hasn't bloomed three times yet. When she does, that's when it's said she will become a true god and under the direct control of the Outer God of Rot itself.

If anything, right after she blooms for the second time (aka her second phase), she sounds kinda unhinged. I remember her saying something like "You will know true horror" or something.

I’m pretty sure that she did bloom 3 times:

The first is the bloom we find at the base of the Haligtree, which is likely the source of the scarlet rot that exists in the Haligtree (not the one in her boss room after the fight, it’s the one in the room next to the hall leading to her)

The second was during the fight with Radahn which created the scarlet aeonia

The third is during her boss fight. Hence why she is named “Goddess of Rot” at that point.

I might be wrong about the order of the first 2 blooms but it doesn’t really make sense to refer to her as a goddess if she needed an additional bloom

Her remembrance says two times - however, there are hints it might have been the third time when we faced her. But the first time MIGHT have been when she faced her mentor. They mention her gaining wings. But this wouldn't explain her pride being hurt, she seems disappointed in herself for the need to use the bloom against Radahn.

But yeah, the boss fight name change from blade to goddess of rot is confusing.

[causality]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by 5chneemensch:

Stop trying to shift the narrative. If he was braindead, he would eat Leonard and make the stars fall again.

No one cares about his fighting style.

> Narrator tells you his wits are gone in a special cutscene just for pony boy
> "NUH UH WRONG"

Steam forums, they are entertaining.

It should be clear that Michael Zaki is invoking the power of friendship/love trope here. Chadahn loves his dog(pony) so much that through sheer will and determination, his last vestiges of sanity remind him to protec dog while using gravitational magic as to not harm it while he runs those filthy Tarnished hobo vagrants down.

[hemorrhage911]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by Facetable:

I’m pretty sure that she did bloom 3 times:

The first is the bloom we find at the base of the Haligtree, which is likely the source of the scarlet rot that exists in the Haligtree

The second was during the fight with Radahn which created the scarlet aeonia

The third is during her boss fight. Hence why she is named “Goddess of Rot” at that point. It doesn’t really make sense to refer to her as such if she needed an additional bloom

To my knowledge, she has only bloomed twice: during her fight with Radahn and then while fighting you.

The flower that appears at the base of the Haligtree appears after you beat her. That suggests that it will be the third bloom.

There seems to be some inconsistency in regards to her name as the Goddess of Rot. After you beat her, you get the message "Legend Felled," not "God Slain" iirc. One of her item descriptions (or maybe her remembrance, I forget) is written in a tense that suggests she is yet to become a true God

The only hint that it is the third time is one of the items you pick up about her mentor (I forget the exact item) - it mentioned her gaining wings after they had a confrontation.

Her remembrance is what causes the most confusion saying she bloomed twice - however, I don't know if that is reliable or the only known times she bloomed. I just find the transition from blade to goddess mid-fight wasn't an indication she went full god mode. Also, why wouldn't she just bloom once more to get the upper hand on the tarnished when her ass was getting beat in her second phase?

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by Facetable:

I’m pretty sure that she did bloom 3 times:

The first is the bloom we find at the base of the Haligtree, which is likely the source of the scarlet rot that exists in the Haligtree (not the one in her boss room after the fight, it’s the one in the room next to the hall leading to her)

The second was during the fight with Radahn which created the scarlet aeonia

The third is during her boss fight. Hence why she is named “Goddess of Rot” at that point.

I might be wrong about the order of the first 2 blooms but it doesn’t really make sense to refer to her as a goddess if she needed an additional bloom

Her remembrance says two times - however, there are hints it might have been the third time when we faced her. But the first time MIGHT have been when she faced her mentor. They mention her gaining wings. But this wouldn't explain her pride being hurt, she seems disappointed in herself for the need to use the bloom against Radahn.

But yeah, the boss fight name change from blade to goddess of rot is confusing.

She never bloomed before her fight with Radahn.

One of the spirits that overlooks the Caelid swamp says this:

"Sublime, I tell you. The very first flower of Aeonia bloomed on this very spot. Malenia, may you blossom into a goddess."

Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Aeonian+Spirit#:~:text=The%20Aeonian%20Spirit%20is%20an,bloomed%20on%20this%20very%20spot.

[hemorrhage911]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Her remembrance says two times - however, there are hints it might have been the third time when we faced her. But the first time MIGHT have been when she faced her mentor. They mention her gaining wings. But this wouldn't explain her pride being hurt, she seems disappointed in herself for the need to use the bloom against Radahn.

But yeah, the boss fight name change from blade to goddess of rot is confusing.

She never bloomed before her fight with Radahn.

One of the spirits that overlooks the Caelid swamp says this:

"Sublime, I tell you. The very first flower of Aeonia bloomed on this very spot. Malenia, may you blossom into a goddess."

Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Aeonian+Spirit#:~:text=The%20Aeonian%20Spirit%20is%20an,bloomed%20on%20this%20very%20spot.

That's talking about it happening at the swamp, not that it's the first bloom to have ever happened. Malenia is not the only one who can bloom anyways and she is not the first in her line to be infected with the rot. There is also blooming happening in the Haligtree, and the speculation is that it was NOT Malenia who bloomed there.

[5chneemensch]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

She never bloomed before her fight with Radahn.

One of the spirits that overlooks the Caelid swamp says this:

"Sublime, I tell you. The very first flower of Aeonia bloomed on this very spot. Malenia, may you blossom into a goddess."

Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Aeonian+Spirit#:~:text=The%20Aeonian%20Spirit%20is%20an,bloomed%20on%20this%20very%20spot.

That does not invalidate the claim she bloomed before. The spirit specified *first flower of Aoenia*. Aoenia being the location and implying it was already some form wasteland, alluding to the first flower.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Malenia is not the only one who can bloom anyways and she is not the first in her line to be infected with the rot.

Who else in her line was infected with the Rot?

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

There is also blooming happening in the Haligtree, and the speculation is that it was NOT Malenia who bloomed there.

Are you talking about the flower in the room right before Malenia's boss room? That may have been one of Malenia's clones blooming, since we know Gowry is trying to enourage it to help his goddess (Malenia).

Although now that I think about it, Malenia may have bloomed for the first time when she met her to-be master. All we know is that her master was a beast, so he may have pushed her to her limit and unwittingly caused her to gain wings (aka bloom) of unparalleled strength. Solid theory.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

She never bloomed before her fight with Radahn.

One of the spirits that overlooks the Caelid swamp says this:

"Sublime, I tell you. The very first flower of Aeonia bloomed on this very spot. Malenia, may you blossom into a goddess."

Source: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Aeonian+Spirit#:~:text=The%20Aeonian%20Spirit%20is%20an,bloomed%20on%20this%20very%20spot.

That's talking about it happening at the swamp, not that it's the first bloom to have ever happened. Malenia is not the only one who can bloom anyways and she is not the first in her line to be infected with the rot. There is also blooming happening in the Haligtree, and the speculation is that it was NOT Malenia who bloomed there.

But now that I think about it some more (lol), Millicent says this:

"There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot. The pride she abandoned, to meet Radahn's measure."

This suggests that she never bloomed before Radahn because her pride and dignity prevented her from doing so. She resisted it up until she met the big guy.