Note to all returning players for the PVP: Rivers of Blood is now one of the worst weapons

[[MD]Fox]

Not even joking. Every time I see Rivers in the arena, I think "hey, free estus!". It's been over-nerfed to oblivion and it wasn't THAT good before (good damage, bad moveset).

Even a well stat allocated Rivers of blood deals about 180 damage per hit with its WA to a level 150 player with decent armor. Also it's easily poised and rolled through. The first point is extremely important, as you'll eat a counter attack for upwards to 1k damage (or more) just for trying it.

The weapon is now cry-babied to death and over nerfed. Meanwhile dual thrusting weapons (or thrust weapons in general) have dominated the PVP scene since day 1. Try one of those weapons.

Stop having an IQ two standard deviations below the normal curve and use your brain.

[SS]

Rivers of blood needs to stay as it is right now.

Moonveil needs to be brought down to that level.

Anyone saying rivers is overnerfed was one of those people who used to use it. They're crying because they can't cheese people from a mile away with some oneshot spam bs.

Compare rivers of blood to say.. A dagger.. Guess what? It is still better, but i don't see you crying for dagger buffs.

Rivers is average now, as it should be.

[[MD]Fox]

Originally posted by SS:

Rivers of blood needs to stay as it is right now.

Moonveil needs to be brought down to that level.

Anyone saying rivers is overnerfed was one of those people who used to use it. They're crying because they can't cheese people from a mile away with some oneshot spam bs.

Compare rivers of blood to say.. A dagger.. Guess what? It is still better, but i don't see you crying for dagger buffs.

Rivers is average now, as it should be.

Low IQ post.

Moonveil is a -serviceable- katana right now. It's only use is to keep people away from you as a caster and it is okay at roll catching. It's outclassed by the nagakiba which is a good weapon (not great).

Rivers of blood is useless now. It's not -average-, it's useless. It deals no damage and has no poise break. Also it takes forever to bleed something now. Garbage.

Lastly daggers are really strong right now. Bleed and cold daggers deal massive DPS with their new buffs (dealing 2k dmg in under 2 seconds). Also many special daggers have good weapon arts. They're a very safe weapon as well since its attacks are such low commitment.

Do you want every weapon to be useless except thrusting weapons?

[Ntark]

Originally posted by MDFox:

Originally posted by SS:

Rivers of blood needs to stay as it is right now.

Moonveil needs to be brought down to that level.

Anyone saying rivers is overnerfed was one of those people who used to use it. They're crying because they can't cheese people from a mile away with some oneshot spam bs.

Compare rivers of blood to say.. A dagger.. Guess what? It is still better, but i don't see you crying for dagger buffs.

Rivers is average now, as it should be.

Low IQ post.

Moonveil is a -serviceable- katana right now. It's only use is to keep people away from you as a caster and it is okay at roll catching. It's outclassed by the nagakiba which is a good weapon (not great).

Rivers of blood is useless now. It's not -average-, it's useless. It deals no damage and has no poise break. Also it takes forever to bleed something now. Garbage.

Lastly daggers are really strong right now. Bleed and cold daggers deal massive DPS with their new buffs (dealing 2k dmg in under 2 seconds). Also many special daggers have good weapon arts. They're a very safe weapon as well since its attacks are such low commitment.

Do you want every weapon to be useless except thrusting weapons?

The Katanas and all those tacky weapon art weapons should be removed from PvP. It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and people who use anything other than normal weapons are losers.

[anotherland]

i get alot of players just doing one move the whole time, thrust forward. over and over. 2 daggers or 2 polearms, no ashes of war, no arts. how is that fun?

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by TrollFace:

Originally posted by MDFox:

Low IQ post.

Moonveil is a -serviceable- katana right now. It's only use is to keep people away from you as a caster and it is okay at roll catching. It's outclassed by the nagakiba which is a good weapon (not great).

Rivers of blood is useless now. It's not -average-, it's useless. It deals no damage and has no poise break. Also it takes forever to bleed something now. Garbage.

Lastly daggers are really strong right now. Bleed and cold daggers deal massive DPS with their new buffs (dealing 2k dmg in under 2 seconds). Also many special daggers have good weapon arts. They're a very safe weapon as well since its attacks are such low commitment.

Do you want every weapon to be useless except thrusting weapons?

The Katanas and all those tacky weapon art weapons should be removed from PvP. It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and people who use anything other than normal weapons are losers.

High school conformity for social approval demand detected.

[chair65]

ROB is still a great weapon. You just need to use your brain to do good with it. Moonveil is one of the best weapons in the game. WA has huge range, travels fast, does a crap ton of damage and has so low recovery that it is virtually impossible to punish. Nagakiba is basically a better uchigatana.

[Something]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Originally posted by TrollFace:

The Katanas and all those tacky weapon art weapons should be removed from PvP. It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and people who use anything other than normal weapons are losers.

High school conformity for social approval demand detected.

You make a shocking amount of missed youth, lost love insults towards people. I think you have some emotions you need to cry out into your pillow bruh.

@OP:
Rivers of Blood is fine where it is. It just feels like it's been over-nerfed because it had been overpowered for far too long that people just began to use it as a crutch weapon, and now that it's time to lose the crutches and walk on your own two feet, you and people like you hate it. You hate that something just isn't given to you for free.

Rivers of Blood for the longest time didn't require anything other than the weapon to be the best of the best in a fight. Yes talismans and buffs made it stronger, but simply equipping the weapon and spamming L2, no buffs no talisman supporting items, was enough to carry you through all but the Crucible Knight bosses, and against any build a player tried to use against you. Now if you want to be efficient with it your build actually matters. Now you actually need to occasionally cast Swarm of Flies in between your Corpse Piler spamming to get the same bleed proc chances. But I guess that's too complicated for most people.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Something:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

High school conformity for social approval demand detected.

You make a shocking amount of missed youth, lost love insults towards people. I think you have some emotions you need to cry out into your pillow bruh.

@OP:
Rivers of Blood is fine where it is. It just feels like it's been over-nerfed because it had been overpowered for far too long that people just began to use it as a crutch weapon, and now that it's time to lose the crutches and walk on your own two feet, you and people like you hate it. You hate that something just isn't given to you for free.

Rivers of Blood for the longest time didn't require anything other than the weapon to be the best of the best in a fight. Yes talismans and buffs made it stronger, but simply equipping the weapon and spamming L2, no buffs no talisman supporting items, was enough to carry you through all but the Crucible Knight bosses, and against any build a player tried to use against you. Now if you want to be efficient with it your build actually matters. Now you actually need to occasionally cast Swarm of Flies in between your Corpse Piler spamming to get the same bleed proc chances. But I guess that's too complicated for most people.

Nah. I'm just a one-trick pony in some respects.

It's a cross, but I bear it willingly.

[[MD]Fox]

Originally posted by Something:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

High school conformity for social approval demand detected.

You make a shocking amount of missed youth, lost love insults towards people. I think you have some emotions you need to cry out into your pillow bruh.

@OP:
Rivers of Blood is fine where it is. It just feels like it's been over-nerfed because it had been overpowered for far too long that people just began to use it as a crutch weapon, and now that it's time to lose the crutches and walk on your own two feet, you and people like you hate it. You hate that something just isn't given to you for free.

Rivers of Blood for the longest time didn't require anything other than the weapon to be the best of the best in a fight. Yes talismans and buffs made it stronger, but simply equipping the weapon and spamming L2, no buffs no talisman supporting items, was enough to carry you through all but the Crucible Knight bosses, and against any build a player tried to use against you. Now if you want to be efficient with it your build actually matters. Now you actually need to occasionally cast Swarm of Flies in between your Corpse Piler spamming to get the same bleed proc chances. But I guess that's too complicated for most people.

All wrong. It's now a terrible weapon. What can it do against any thrusting weapon now? LOL!

[Something]

Originally posted by MDFox:

Originally posted by Something:

You make a shocking amount of missed youth, lost love insults towards people. I think you have some emotions you need to cry out into your pillow bruh.

@OP:
Rivers of Blood is fine where it is. It just feels like it's been over-nerfed because it had been overpowered for far too long that people just began to use it as a crutch weapon, and now that it's time to lose the crutches and walk on your own two feet, you and people like you hate it. You hate that something just isn't given to you for free.

Rivers of Blood for the longest time didn't require anything other than the weapon to be the best of the best in a fight. Yes talismans and buffs made it stronger, but simply equipping the weapon and spamming L2, no buffs no talisman supporting items, was enough to carry you through all but the Crucible Knight bosses, and against any build a player tried to use against you. Now if you want to be efficient with it your build actually matters. Now you actually need to occasionally cast Swarm of Flies in between your Corpse Piler spamming to get the same bleed proc chances. But I guess that's too complicated for most people.

All wrong. It's now a terrible weapon. What can it do against any thrusting weapon now? LOL!

It's weapon art still has insane reach that can be used to roll catch. If you can't i-frame a thrusting weapons poke then that's a skill issue and not the weapons fault. If you want a Rivers of Blood with extra reach just get a Nagakiba with a Double Slash heavy infusion and Bloodflame Blade. Or dodge their thrust, hit them with one swipe of the weapon art, dodge the next, rinse and repeat until they explode in blood.

Or if you really wanna ruin a thrusting weapon users day, get yourself a high stability greatshield with shield crash, enchant it with the magic shield buff to give it the Barricade effect, then just charge through them and bonk them with the shield every time they think of attacking you. Get the shield in Caelid that inflicts bleed build up for the lulz.

[SS]

Originally posted by MDFox:

Originally posted by SS:

Rivers of blood needs to stay as it is right now.

Moonveil needs to be brought down to that level.

Anyone saying rivers is overnerfed was one of those people who used to use it. They're crying because they can't cheese people from a mile away with some oneshot spam bs.

Compare rivers of blood to say.. A dagger.. Guess what? It is still better, but i don't see you crying for dagger buffs.

Rivers is average now, as it should be.

Low IQ post.

Moonveil is a -serviceable- katana right now. It's only use is to keep people away from you as a caster and it is okay at roll catching. It's outclassed by the nagakiba which is a good weapon (not great).

Rivers of blood is useless now. It's not -average-, it's useless. It deals no damage and has no poise break. Also it takes forever to bleed something now. Garbage.

Lastly daggers are really strong right now. Bleed and cold daggers deal massive DPS with their new buffs (dealing 2k dmg in under 2 seconds). Also many special daggers have good weapon arts. They're a very safe weapon as well since its attacks are such low commitment.

Do you want every weapon to be useless except thrusting weapons?

Welcome to using a weapon that isn't babymode.

I stayed away from all the easy stuff, so to me the katana works just fine; but for some subspecies person who always uses the easiest stuff, it must seem completely worthless.

Daggers are good? Oh... Is that why nobody uses them? Is that why people using daggers always get dunked easily?

They nerfed status stacking with dual wielding weapons also, which means they're not good, they suck even more now. And they are NOT safe. You have to be pressed into the enemy to even touch them with the daggers, and the tracking is terrible. Someone with a spear is doing 180 degree tracking on hit. Daggers you'd be lucky to get 30 degrees.

As someone who never used broken garbage, rivers seems fine to me. You're just too used to it nuking people down in one hit whilst stun-locking them. Time to play properly now, sorry kid.

[[MD]Fox]

I thought it'd be funny to revive this thread I made. Looks like I was completely right. Rivers of blood user = free estus. Thank you all very much!

[John Fallout]

Nice gatekeeping guys. Let's all play with frying pans and spoons. Last time I played Rivers of Blood it totally wrecked bosses I'm not playing PvP yet though. But let people use whatever they want. We dont have to use only the strongest weapons.

[The Icecream Snowman]

I've never done PvP in Elden Ring and I'm never going to. I'm going to use all the Katanas and there's nothing you chumps can do to stop me.

[rkmugen]

Rivers of Bruh....

lol