Is seamless coop becoming official?

[RockClaw]

Sort of looked that way...

[GoreTiger]

Messaggio originale di MarcoPants:

Messaggio originale di Him:

enemy not respawning after you die is easy mode

While it's true enemies don't respawn if a player simply dies, that player gets a permanent stacking debuff every time they die until they rest at a site of grace. If ANY player rests, then enemies respawn. Basic enemies themselves are already substantially tougher in the mod since their poise increases as well, making stunlocks and interrupts harder to achieve

I've already explained this to a point but they don't care, they believe what they want to believe and no amount of truth will change their perspective.

[GloxiniaLemon]

Messaggio originale di RockClaw:

Messaggio originale di Ezio_Auditore:

no the seamless coop is unofficial mods on nexus site: https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/510

I don't use Nexus because they don't support patriotic mods. They are mod tyrants.

who?

[GoreTiger]

Messaggio originale di Bitler:

Messaggio originale di RockClaw:

I don't use Nexus because they don't support patriotic mods. They are mod tyrants.

who?

He's probably referring to nexus controversy about the pride flag.

[(Anti-Casul) FAT_MAN]

From doesn't like making things convenient in the slightest. Remember how the Darkmoon and Way of Blue worked in DS3? They didn't, and all they had to do was add the blue eye orb like DS1 and they still couldn't be bothered. I love these games but so many design choices are terrible at best.

[Him]

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

Messaggio originale di MarcoPants:

While it's true enemies don't respawn if a player simply dies, that player gets a permanent stacking debuff every time they die until they rest at a site of grace. If ANY player rests, then enemies respawn. Basic enemies themselves are already substantially tougher in the mod since their poise increases as well, making stunlocks and interrupts harder to achieve

I've already explained this to a point but they don't care, they believe what they want to believe and no amount of truth will change their perspective.

lol do you realise that description fit you ? not me.

I will change perspective, if you can provide a logical argument. but you just can't.

ok you get a debuff, but enemy dont respawn and no invasion and you got horses.
no, taling about horses is not cherry picking.

you play seamless because you have a problem with invasion, did you even say it ruin you game? if it ruin your game then it must be harder then seamless.

"Yeah you're doing nothing but demanding absolute acceptance of what you're saying when you can't even properly back up what you're saying."

[GoreTiger]

Messaggio originale di Him:

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

I've already explained this to a point but they don't care, they believe what they want to believe and no amount of truth will change their perspective.

lol do you realise that description fit you ? not me.

I will change perspective, if you can provide a logical argument. but you just can't.

ok you get a debuff, but enemy dont respawn and no invasion and you got horses.
no, taling about horses is not cherry picking.

you play seamless because you have a problem with invasion, did you even say it ruin you game? if it ruin your game then it must be harder then seamless.

"Yeah you're doing nothing but demanding absolute acceptance of what you're saying when you can't even properly back up what you're saying."

There have been many logical points and counterpoints presented, You just choose to ignore them.
The ignorant choose to stay ignorant, I can keep explaining to you why you're wrong, But unless you finally accept you're wrong, You're always going to live ignorant.

complaining about horses is cherry picking. The ENTIRE game is available in the mod for coop, Of course they would provide horses. If the 2nd player having a horse upsets you so badly, Just imagine that the players killed one of the kaiden's and stole his horse as well. Complaining both players have a horse to traverse the entire map is such a trivial thing, It's sad.

Enemies don't respawn, But you still get massive debuffs. From losing up to 45% of your health stamina and mana, To have your stat counts decreased. Most players are going to end up resting just to get rid of the buffs, and those who can do good enough not to, Then they'd be good enough to breeze through the dungeon in the base game as well so again, Pointless and hollow complaint.

The invasion argument has been beaten to death on this forum over and over, I'm not going to keep repeating on it. You can just search any of the thousand comments against the terrible invasion system. Saying the game is easier because there's no invasions is a pretty sad strawman tho, considering invasions don't always happen when cooping in the base game as well.

Like I've been saying, People who rant against the mod never have an actual logical complaint about it. Most of the time they're usually invaders upset that people don't have to deal with the terrible system. The mod is amazing, It's far from "easy mode", And the invaders can just seethe about the fact that the invasion system sucks.

[vukotlak]

This whole "cheesing throguh coop" is apointless argument. No one is playing the "Mod" to chees the game. People wanna play the game in true coop that's all.

If from would make a true coop mode and extra balance all mobs to make the game 10 times harder i bet my A&& plenty of people would still play it.

No one is trying to cheese anything. Some people just like to play with frirends.

You know what "FRIENDS" are right?

[Him]

Messaggio originale di vukotlak:

This whole "cheesing throguh coop" is apointless argument. No one is playing the "Mod" to chees the game. People wanna play the game in true coop that's all.

If from would make a true coop mode and extra balance all mobs to make the game 10 times harder i bet my A&& plenty of people would still play it.

No one is trying to cheese anything. Some people just like to play with frirends.

You know what "FRIENDS" are right?

You know you can play with friends whitout the mod right?

Im sorry but I have seen way too many "invaders are rapist and ruin my game " post to belive that most people are not using it specificaly to get of invaders

[Him]

Messaggio originale di Tom:

Messaggio originale di Him:

You know you can play with friends whitout the mod right?

Im sorry but I have seen way too many "invaders are rapist and ruin my game " post to belive that most people are not using it specificaly to get of invaders

You know the mod makes Coop better, and that's the primary reason people use it right?

I don't like fighting invaders myself and have argued against them being a necessary part of Co-Op before. But if the game's official Co-Op system was better. No arbitrary walls or going away after bosses or redoing the same area/ boss for each player to progress etc. Then I, and I'm sure others too, would take a few invaders. Maybe put a good timer between invasions so they're not back to back. But yeah. With Good Co op then people would engage with invasions.

We cant really tell why people are using it, but you can tell if its easier, or not.

[Him]

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

Messaggio originale di Him:

lol do you realise that description fit you ? not me.

I will change perspective, if you can provide a logical argument. but you just can't.

ok you get a debuff, but enemy dont respawn and no invasion and you got horses.
no, taling about horses is not cherry picking.

you play seamless because you have a problem with invasion, did you even say it ruin you game? if it ruin your game then it must be harder then seamless.

"Yeah you're doing nothing but demanding absolute acceptance of what you're saying when you can't even properly back up what you're saying."

There have been many logical points and counterpoints presented, You just choose to ignore them.
The ignorant choose to stay ignorant, I can keep explaining to you why you're wrong, But unless you finally accept you're wrong, You're always going to live ignorant.

complaining about horses is cherry picking. The ENTIRE game is available in the mod for coop, Of course they would provide horses. If the 2nd player having a horse upsets you so badly, Just imagine that the players killed one of the kaiden's and stole his horse as well. Complaining both players have a horse to traverse the entire map is such a trivial thing, It's sad.

Enemies don't respawn, But you still get massive debuffs. From losing up to 45% of your health stamina and mana, To have your stat counts decreased. Most players are going to end up resting just to get rid of the buffs, and those who can do good enough not to, Then they'd be good enough to breeze through the dungeon in the base game as well so again, Pointless and hollow complaint.

The invasion argument has been beaten to death on this forum over and over, I'm not going to keep repeating on it. You can just search any of the thousand comments against the terrible invasion system. Saying the game is easier because there's no invasions is a pretty sad strawman tho, considering invasions don't always happen when cooping in the base game as well.

Like I've been saying, People who rant against the mod never have an actual logical complaint about it. Most of the time they're usually invaders upset that people don't have to deal with the terrible system. The mod is amazing, It's far from "easy mode", And the invaders can just seethe about the fact that the invasion system sucks.

Saying the horse thing is cherry picking is just because it break you argument. Some mobs are easier to kill using 1 horse, imagine 3.

You get a debuff when you die but ennemy dont respawn. And I bet you can still use your horse after died.

No , the invasion argument is not a strawman , its another argument that you chose to ignore.

Many people complained because invasion made the game too hard. I am not making this up I think even you did. If it "ruin your game" but seamless co-op do not with the debuff. It mean taking a debuff is easier then facing possible invaders.

You cant tell me its not easier and seriously pretend im the one that choses to stay ignorant.

[GoreTiger]

Messaggio originale di Him:

Messaggio originale di vukotlak:

This whole "cheesing throguh coop" is apointless argument. No one is playing the "Mod" to chees the game. People wanna play the game in true coop that's all.

If from would make a true coop mode and extra balance all mobs to make the game 10 times harder i bet my A&& plenty of people would still play it.

No one is trying to cheese anything. Some people just like to play with frirends.

You know what "FRIENDS" are right?

You know you can play with friends whitout the mod right?

Im sorry but I have seen way too many "invaders are rapist and ruin my game " post to belive that most people are not using it specificaly to get of invaders

Can you play the entire game coop with friends tho? Exactly.
Also yes, Alot of people are using the mod to avoid the terrible invasion system, Way to finally realize that lmao.

Messaggio originale di Him:

Messaggio originale di Tom:

You know the mod makes Coop better, and that's the primary reason people use it right?

I don't like fighting invaders myself and have argued against them being a necessary part of Co-Op before. But if the game's official Co-Op system was better. No arbitrary walls or going away after bosses or redoing the same area/ boss for each player to progress etc. Then I, and I'm sure others too, would take a few invaders. Maybe put a good timer between invasions so they're not back to back. But yeah. With Good Co op then people would engage with invasions.

We cant really tell why people are using it, but you can tell if its easier, or not.

Obviously you can't tell anything.

Messaggio originale di Him:

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

There have been many logical points and counterpoints presented, You just choose to ignore them.
The ignorant choose to stay ignorant, I can keep explaining to you why you're wrong, But unless you finally accept you're wrong, You're always going to live ignorant.

complaining about horses is cherry picking. The ENTIRE game is available in the mod for coop, Of course they would provide horses. If the 2nd player having a horse upsets you so badly, Just imagine that the players killed one of the kaiden's and stole his horse as well. Complaining both players have a horse to traverse the entire map is such a trivial thing, It's sad.

Enemies don't respawn, But you still get massive debuffs. From losing up to 45% of your health stamina and mana, To have your stat counts decreased. Most players are going to end up resting just to get rid of the buffs, and those who can do good enough not to, Then they'd be good enough to breeze through the dungeon in the base game as well so again, Pointless and hollow complaint.

The invasion argument has been beaten to death on this forum over and over, I'm not going to keep repeating on it. You can just search any of the thousand comments against the terrible invasion system. Saying the game is easier because there's no invasions is a pretty sad strawman tho, considering invasions don't always happen when cooping in the base game as well.

Like I've been saying, People who rant against the mod never have an actual logical complaint about it. Most of the time they're usually invaders upset that people don't have to deal with the terrible system. The mod is amazing, It's far from "easy mode", And the invaders can just seethe about the fact that the invasion system sucks.

Saying the horse thing is cherry picking is just because it break you argument. Some mobs are easier to kill using 1 horse, imagine 3.

You get a debuff when you die but ennemy dont respawn. And I bet you can still use your horse after died.

No , the invasion argument is not a strawman , its another argument that you chose to ignore.

Many people complained because invasion made the game too hard. I am not making this up I think even you did. If it "ruin your game" but seamless co-op do not with the debuff. It mean taking a debuff is easier then facing possible invaders.

You cant tell me its not easier and seriously pretend im the one that choses to stay ignorant.

You are cherry picking the most shallow things right now.
Any mob that gets wrecked by multiple people on a horse would of still gotten wrecked if only one of them was on a horse and the other on foot.

Your horse argument is so stupid, it's like you're holding onto that straw for dear life lmao.

It's not an argument I choose to ignore, It's an argument I've been involved in many times on this forum. The invasion system is terrible and this is a widely shared belief. If you really want to be lame and debate that, then go dig up any of the old posts I've made on the topic and respond to it.

The mod doesn't make anything easier, You're just being ignorant.

"You don't understand man, The horses! The Horses man!" lmaoo...

[Him]

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

Messaggio originale di Him:

You know you can play with friends whitout the mod right?

Im sorry but I have seen way too many "invaders are rapist and ruin my game " post to belive that most people are not using it specificaly to get of invaders

Can you play the entire game coop with friends tho? Exactly.
Also yes, Alot of people are using the mod to avoid the terrible invasion system, Way to finally realize that lmao.

Messaggio originale di Him:

We cant really tell why people are using it, but you can tell if its easier, or not.

Obviously you can't tell anything.

Messaggio originale di Him:

Saying the horse thing is cherry picking is just because it break you argument. Some mobs are easier to kill using 1 horse, imagine 3.

You get a debuff when you die but ennemy dont respawn. And I bet you can still use your horse after died.

No , the invasion argument is not a strawman , its another argument that you chose to ignore.

Many people complained because invasion made the game too hard. I am not making this up I think even you did. If it "ruin your game" but seamless co-op do not with the debuff. It mean taking a debuff is easier then facing possible invaders.

You cant tell me its not easier and seriously pretend im the one that choses to stay ignorant.

You are cherry picking the most shallow things right now.
Any mob that gets wrecked by multiple people on a horse would of still gotten wrecked if only one of them was on a horse and the other on foot.

Your horse argument is so stupid, it's like you're holding onto that straw for dear life lmao.

It's not an argument I choose to ignore, It's an argument I've been involved in many times on this forum. The invasion system is terrible and this is a widely shared belief. If you really want to be lame and debate that, then go dig up any of the old posts I've made on the topic and respond to it.

The mod doesn't make anything easier, You're just being ignorant.

"You don't understand man, The horses! The Horses man!" lmaoo...

Lol it shows you hate invasion and that you use the mod because its easy mode for you. Some people use it because its easier to co-op but you use it because invasion are too hard for you. Why dont you admit it?

Tell me again how invaders ruin your game again? And tell me how something ruining your game is not hard?

I know you dont want to talk about invasion , you have no point to make.

The horses argument is not stupid. Is it easier to have horses or not? Only the most stupid person would pretend its not easier.

But what Do I expect? You did say that the co-op mod makes the game harder. You can't hardly come up with worse ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Btw you can find an article that says its easy mode too:

Elden Ring Seamless Co-Op Mod Is Like Easy Mode, But Better
BY
ROBERT ZAK
PUBLISHED SEP 21, 2022
For people who struggled in the Lands Between, there's no better way to play.

But hey keep being a clown, they give awards for that.

[GoreTiger]

Messaggio originale di Him:

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

Can you play the entire game coop with friends tho? Exactly.
Also yes, Alot of people are using the mod to avoid the terrible invasion system, Way to finally realize that lmao.




Obviously you can't tell anything.



You are cherry picking the most shallow things right now.
Any mob that gets wrecked by multiple people on a horse would of still gotten wrecked if only one of them was on a horse and the other on foot.

Your horse argument is so stupid, it's like you're holding onto that straw for dear life lmao.

It's not an argument I choose to ignore, It's an argument I've been involved in many times on this forum. The invasion system is terrible and this is a widely shared belief. If you really want to be lame and debate that, then go dig up any of the old posts I've made on the topic and respond to it.

The mod doesn't make anything easier, You're just being ignorant.

"You don't understand man, The horses! The Horses man!" lmaoo...

Lol it shows you hate invasion and that you use the mod because its easy mode for you. Some people use it because its easier to co-op but you use it because invasion are too hard for you. Why dont you admit it?

Tell me again how invaders ruin your game again? And tell me how something ruining your game is not hard?

I know you dont want to talk about invasion , you have no point to make.

The horses argument is not stupid. Is it easier to have horses or not? Only the most stupid person would pretend its not easier.

But what Do I expect? You did say that the co-op mod makes the game harder. You can't hardly come up with worse ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Btw you can find an article that says its easy mode too:

Elden Ring Seamless Co-Op Mod Is Like Easy Mode, But Better
BY
ROBERT ZAK
PUBLISHED SEP 21, 2022
For people who struggled in the Lands Between, there's no better way to play.

But hey keep being a clown, they give awards for that.

Out of the 12 times I've been invaded, I've only lost once. Like I said, the invasion system is a terribly made thing that even miyazaki admits is just an afterthought, But all of this has already been discussed on the forums. Go fetch those responses if you really want people to repeat themselves. Maybe you can ride a horse there?

The horse argument is stupid, I've already said why it's stupid. You're ignoring my points and just going "Nuh Uh!" and repeating yourself over and over because you have no actual point here. You're probably just a salty invader that's upset nobody wants to play with you.

Also no, I did not say the mod is overall harder then the base game, I said it's not easy mode like you and the other guy are trying to claim. I know you're bad at reading and you're bad at debating, But don't start lying as well.

So far I've named multiple reasons why you're wrong in what you're trying to say, and so far all you've responded with are "Horses!" and repeated yourself over and over.

It's pretty clear here that you're wrong and you don't want to admit you're wrong so you're just going to keep saying the same thing over and over again hoping someone else jumps in and saves you from the hole you've dug, lmao.

[GentleJeremy]

Messaggio originale di GoreTiger:

Messaggio originale di GentleJeremy:

Yea this is a level of zeal you can't reason with. All Co-Op is too easy. Yes, the Seamless Mod is a better form of Co-Op for the most part. Unmodded Co-Op is still too easy. The community of active players is diminishing. NPCs and spirit summons are not comparable to another player. It's a balance thing. I have plenty of hours in Co-Op and Invasions. I'm not the best player but I know what feels to easy to be rewarding. Even for newbies, two people will overwhelm the PvE and the Mod is worse in that regard. You'd have to have retaliation thresholds and priority targets to make a boss enemy stand a chance against two players as an example.

Yeah you're doing nothing but demanding absolute acceptance of what you're saying when you can't even properly back up what you're saying. You think the mod is easy mode and you're always going to think that nomatter how much you're proven wrong. It's pointless to keep discussing it with you. Your points have been debunked and I've pointed out at multiple times why you're wrong, But you still believe what you believe. Thankfully simple-minded people like yourself have no control over the success of the mod. Go on believing what you want to believe while over one million people enjoy the mod that makes you seethe.

Just engage with a single point I made. I haven't heard a single wit about the fairness of seamless Mod. The facts are that the Mod doesn't address the advantage a Co-Op phantom or phantoms has over the PvE: poise breaking, status build-up, DPS, AI Pressure/Kiting and resource management. The following is an Opinion; the Mod negates most PvP so in my opinion I don't like it because I play PvP. Engage with the facts and leave the opinion part out of this. Talk about these four things and you might convince me.

[vukotlak]

Messaggio originale di Him:

Im sorry but I have seen way too many "invaders are rapist and ruin my game " post to belive that most people are not using it specificaly to get of invaders

Yes that is one of the main reasons. Invaders are annyoing. Some people wanna do pvp and some not. It has ntohign to do with difficulty though.

PvP is a totaly different thing. Some like it and others not. Obviously there are enough people who just wanna do coop without invasions. Like i said i rather deal with monstrously buffed pve creeps then with any invasion. Even when i slap the ♥♥♥♥♥ out of an invasion it was not fun. It's like you bump your car and need to change the wheel. Okay you got the tools the wheel is changed and you can keep driving. Doesen't mean you enjoyed this forced stop and you do not get back the wasted time. forced pvp is nothing but a time waste for people like me. The outcome doesen't matter.

And don't you even start with "pve noob blabla". Can you see which game is my steam icon ya. Okay so spare that ♥♥♥♥♥ thx.