best coop game through mod.

[vukotlak]

So i started a new playthrough with my Gf with the seamless coop mod. It it working pretty solid just a bit janky and buggy at times but nothing groundbreakingly bad.

And it is exactly what i was thinking it is and what i wanted souls to be all the time. Basicly the bets coop game i ever played. Obviously cause Eldenring itself is a damn amazing game. Just like souls was. But i was never able to enjoy souls like this cause coop in souls comes at a price. You need to do everything twice. Invaders are annoying a ♥♥♥♥. Half of the time you look like a grafic glitch. Certain areas are completetly forbidden.

And now after i played Eldenring in coop. In true coop. I wonder how people can argue against this Coop. Souls would just be absolutly amazing in true coop.

This has nothing to do with cheesing a game or anything. It is just great to discove the game in coop. To ply different rols and enjoy the game.

I just hope we get more stuff like this. Official stuff. It is some of the best gaming experience ever and it should not be provided by a mod. It's just sad.

[psheue]

Escrito originalmente por vukotlak:

Escrito originalmente por psheue:

No, it wouldn't hurt anyone if ER had full-blown coop, just like nobody would be hurt if ER was a FPS.

No matter how low you put the bar for "dumb arguments" i am pretty sure you can comfortably crawl under it with this one.

That's not an argument, sweetie. It's just a couple of equally true and irrelevant statements.

[Sonnenbank]

Escrito originalmente por Ymir:

Yeah, those delusional fanboys of ER and souls games in general overhype the difficulty.

ER is actually extremely easy if you use all the tools it offers. Yet those fromsoft fanatics pretend that their games are some hardcore over the top difficulty things.

They make fun of ''casuals'' but I'm sorry to say, if they think ER is hard they're the casuals. Checkpoints everywhere even on top of the boss door and summons/spells that completely break boss fights and turn them into complete jokes. If that is what they think is ''hard difficulty'' they haven't played a single hard game in their life.

I would 100% agree.

ER is only difficult if you choose to not use 70% of the tools the game offers you.
So the argument of coop removing the necessary suffering that defines ER is completely dumb.....

pre nerf mimic+rob vs Malenia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwDHlWgsIBA&ab_channel=lordad
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In ER you could always remove all difficulty in the game and dont have to suffer at all....
So that can not be an argument against ER coop

[vukotlak]

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

The combat on the other hand, suffers if you only play in coop, because Fromsoft would have to completely re design the enemies and bosses to have the same challenge as in single player, but that would mean solo players suffer more...

Well all those changes should only kick in when you play coop. Solo would still stay untouched.

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

The mod does break immersion, but clearly provides a better experience and kills off online play by taking away a ton of people for random coop and invasions.

How is online play killed. As i said. I am playing it and i was never part of this "online play".
I thought the arguemnt is"people want this online/pvp/coop" stuff. How can you then argue that a true Coop would take away players from the PvP. I thought all those people "WANT" pvp. Or not. Like what is it now make up your mind.

[MundM]

Escrito originalmente por vukotlak:

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

The combat on the other hand, suffers if you only play in coop, because Fromsoft would have to completely re design the enemies and bosses to have the same challenge as in single player, but that would mean solo players suffer more...

Well all those changes should only kick in when you play coop. Solo would still stay untouched.

The mod does break immersion, but clearly provides a better experience and kills off online play by taking away a ton of people for random coop and invasions.

It kills of random invasions. People where available for random coop and invasions without the mod, now people can use the mod and are taken away from the pool for everyone who plays normal without any mods. Not sure why that was unclear for you.

[vukotlak]

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

It kills of random invasions. People where available for random coop and invasions without the mod, now people can use the mod and are taken away from the pool for everyone who plays normal without any mods. Not sure why that was unclear for you.

As i said. I played Eldenring Solo before and now we bought the game for my gf too to play it coop. I was never part of any pvp online stuff with or without the mod.

Also it would only exclude those people who are not interested in PvP. So the only people suffering would be those who wanna do PvP against people who actualy do not want to do PvP.

[HANDIJORDAN-YT]

some of you guys are so much better then us how will we ever achieve god status like you guys. its almost like they arent hurting you guys its not like aim hacks in an fps

[Tom]

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

"This has nothing to do with cheesing a game or anything." It is, though ...

The combat on the other hand, suffers if you only play in coop, because Fromsoft would have to completely re design the enemies and bosses to have the same challenge as in single player, but that would mean solo players suffer more... ...
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So shouldn't From redesign the enemies and bosses rn anyway since, as far as I know, you can Co Op pretty much anywhere? The only real hurdle is Invaders but Co Opers just make gank squads to deal with those. Or sometimes the invader doesn't really know what they're doing. Or the invader is using RoB in a low level area to club seals. Or the invader jumps off a cliff. Or the invader has a really bad connection and gets disconnected. Or the invader is a PvP god that just destroys the Co Op players... What I'm trying to say is it can be pretty rare for Co Op players to get a good PvP matchup, and relying on PvP for PvE balance is a pretty stupid thing because no two players are the same. So one group may find it really easy, and another group may find it super hard, and the only difference is a dice roll on what invaders they get.

Oh and sometimes the invader finds a way to brick your save by hacking cheated items into your inventory or through other means. Yeah I know that particular one got fixed but still. Opening the door to random invasions also opens the door to cheaters who want to find ways to break your save. So whats wrong with just wanting a chill time with friends who you know you can trust?

[P.]

The mod author doesn't share the source code, all users could've been infected by ransomware or cryptojacking malware

[UnholyDentist]

FS just needs to realise that the git gud invader concept is outdated. People want co-op, mods, uncapped fps, adjustable FoV, UW support and proper PC port without yanky controller controls.

[Sonnenbank]

There are basically only 2 type of persons who enjoy invading

1.) People who enjoy killing noobs with their fully geared low level invasion builds
2.) People who enjoy killing those people by ganking 2v1 while being fully geared and 200 levels over content when teaming up with someone low level whos only purpuse is to bait in invaders

the whole concept of invasion is bs.....
Its a system that failed
we dont need it

[An Irate Walrus]

Escrito originalmente por Xelane:

Escrito originalmente por Celtic Bastard:

Well if I can toss in my too sense in...

It's "two cents" not "too sense."

Imagine playing Grammarian the Verbarian over something so silly.

[FIRE]

Escrito originalmente por UnholyDentist:

FS just needs to realise that the git gud invader concept is outdated. People want co-op, mods, uncapped fps, adjustable FoV, UW support and proper PC port without yanky controller controls.

Not even outdated, just horrible. It was never good.

[FIRE]

Escrito originalmente por Sonnenbank:

There are basically only 2 type of persons who enjoy invading

1.) People who enjoy killing noobs with their fully geared low level invasion builds
2.) People who enjoy killing those people by ganking 2v1 while being fully geared and 200 levels over content when teaming up with someone low level whos only purpuse is to bait in invaders

the whole concept of invasion is bs.....
Its a system that failed
we dont need it

Yeah, it's the most unbalanced pvp I've ever seen. That + the lag issues easily makes it the worst pvp I've seen.

Whatever their intention with it was, the only thing it accomplishes is something that's frustating players and not in a good way.

[MundM]

Escrito originalmente por vukotlak:

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

It kills of random invasions. People where available for random coop and invasions without the mod, now people can use the mod and are taken away from the pool for everyone who plays normal without any mods. Not sure why that was unclear for you.

As i said. I played Eldenring Solo before and now we bought the game for my gf too to play it coop. I was never part of any pvp online stuff with or without the mod.

Also it would only exclude those people who are not interested in PvP. So the only people suffering would be those who wanna do PvP against people who actualy do not want to do PvP.

Again, no. If the mod wouldn't exist, and you want to play coop, you must participate in online play and be open to random invasions. With the mod, you and your buddy are off the grid. It's really not that hard to comprehend, you can keep your emojis to yourself. Player+Player= possible invasion. Mod+Player+Player= no possible random invasion.

[vukotlak]

Escrito originalmente por MundM:

Again, no. If the mod wouldn't exist, and you want to play coop, you must participate in online play and be open to random invasions. With the mod, you and your buddy are off the grid. It's really not that hard to comprehend, you can keep your emojis to yourself. Player+Player= possible invasion. Mod+Player+Player= no possible random invasion.

Dude it is pretty easy to understand actualy. I said. Without the mod i played solo. We just bought the game a second time cause of the mod. There was and would never be any pvp/coop for me on offical servers. Okay. Come on it's not that hard to grasp is it?