why is there no penalty for doing power stance GS/straight swords?

[Deviant]

just makes no sense what so ever you simply can power stance greatspears or straight swords and double your dmg for no downsides at all why is there no dmg penalty or higher attributes needed to power stance weapons like it was in dark souls series? hitting for 1400 with power stance gs with basic attacks is totally fine but colossal weapons doing 500 dmg per hit while being 3 times slower is also fine

[Drukaris]

if you poke a dude with 2 knives at the same time he has two holes in his body instead of only one

makes sense to me

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

if you poke a dude with 2 knives at the same time he has two holes in his body instead of only one

makes sense to me

thanks i lost brain cells reading this

[Twisty]

Guessing you got killed in PvP by someone powerstancing?
Just wait for them to attack two or three times and they will be out of stamina.

[Drukaris]

Originally posted by Deviant:

Originally posted by Drukaris:

if you poke a dude with 2 knives at the same time he has two holes in his body instead of only one

makes sense to me

thanks i lost brain cells reading this

im sorry, should i use easier words?

[Gob]

To say there is no penalty is not correct...
You can't weapon block
You can't use a shield
You can't cast
You burn through stamina
You don't double your damage but you do land hits quicker

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Deviant:

just makes no sense what so ever you simply can power stance greatspears or straight swords and double your dmg for no downsides at all why is there no dmg penalty or higher attributes needed to power stance weapons like it was in dark souls series? hitting for 1400 with power stance gs with basic attacks is totally fine but colossal weapons doing 500 dmg per hit while being 3 times slower is also fine

The attack animation recovery rendering you open for attacks for longer is the penalty.

[Deviant]

Originally posted by Gob:

To say there is no penalty is not correct...
You can't weapon block
You can't use a shield
You can't cast
You burn through stamina
You don't double your damage but you do land hits quicker

>doesnt matter if you 2 shot lmao hello?
>who uses them LOL
>and?
>they die faster before you run out of stamina
>ye you do

[C1REX]

I think power stance and two handing is not balanced well and I think it’s unfinished idea.

My believe is that initially more weapons were supposed to be powerstanced just by trying to two hand them.

Most fist weapons do that, Radahn’s swords do that and sword from first spider boss do that. So you can’t two hand them at all and automatically powerstance these weapons.
You double your damage and don’t even pay the price of higher load. You make a second weapon for free in that case.

[Deviant]

power stancing greatspears with crouching attack is gonna be nerfed next patch just like UGS poek crouch spam was and so will the power stancing greatspears by itself will be nerfed so no idea why any of you think its fine when it isnt says alot about your experience in pvp oh wait none of you do pvp at all

[cridus]

there's a reason why the meta setups currently are double great spears, double straight swords, double spears... (also rapiers because of the poise damage)
they're still overtuned, even with the much needed nerf to status build-up.
add to that the fact that downscaling for overleveled phantoms is broken, and things get even worse, for invaders.

once, at level 90, I met an overleveled phantom who 2-shot me with 2 normal L1s of dual naginatas. without bleed. I had ~1600 HP with heavy armor and no soreseal. they had no active buffs.
I asked them how they dealt so much damage and they said they were level 500 and the weapons were +9... they get to +25...

so yeah.

(before any invader-hater comments on me getting killed there: the invasion was already over, he killed me right after his host died and I was just standing still because it didn't matter)

[ressenmacher]

It's not that there isn't a penalty, it's that it's not well balanced.

It comes down to the opportunity cost of the left hand. You can do a lot of things with your left hand:
-use it to hold your weapon and two-hand, dealing more damage, poise damage, and accessing a different moveset
-use it to hold a shield
-use it to hold a complementary weapon, like a crossbow, thrusting sword, sacred seal/staff etc
-use it to dual wield

If you use that left hand to dual wield, you can't do any of the other things with it, and that's the cost or drawback (oh, and I guess it weighs marginally more, too?). The issue right now is just that dual wielding tends to outclass these other options on a lot of builds, especially in PvP where the moveset change is itself a major advantage (ex: dual SS).

[Kleerex]

You're right. They should remove all weapons that can be powerstanced!

[WhiteMamba]

Originally posted by Gob:

To say there is no penalty is not correct...
You can't weapon block
You can't use a shield
You can't cast
You burn through stamina
You don't double your damage but you do land hits quicker

None of these things give you nearly as much advantage as just simply spamming jump attack with dual straight swords. I think AT LEAST they should have more recovery frames, cause its ridiculous you got double the dmg, double the speed than pretty much every weapon, plus true combos and barely any window to be punished. Even colossals that weight 3x more than 2 swords together hit for less. Greatspears dont bother me that much cause they aren't that fast, but they could make thrust counter less powerful in general.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by WhiteMamba:

Originally posted by Gob:

To say there is no penalty is not correct...
You can't weapon block
You can't use a shield
You can't cast
You burn through stamina
You don't double your damage but you do land hits quicker

None of these things give you nearly as much advantage as just simply spamming jump attack with dual straight swords. I think AT LEAST they should have more recovery frames, cause its ridiculous you got double the dmg, double the speed than pretty much every weapon, plus true combos and barely any window to be punished. Even colossals that weight 3x more than 2 swords together hit for less. Greatspears dont bother me that much cause they aren't that fast, but they could make thrust counter less powerful in general.

Jump attack with 2 halberds, the range for a melee weapon is great (and the dmg is totally worth).
That extra range at the right hands can be a true pain.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Penalty to weight, if using Blue Dancer charm. There are dozens of "penalties" it's all a part of balance of combat.