PvP scaling = Undo the nerfs which impact PvE.

[CazadorDeLobo]

It is a shame that they put this update out and overlooked the nature of previous updates; Surely, some or most of the nerfs on weapons, skills, incantations, and sorceries were based on player feedback IN PVP which due to the lack of this PvP scaling feature meant that nerf carried over to your "offline" play.

We can all agree that this wasn't fair, and is why we now have this feature! Yay!

Now, can Fromsoft please look back at those previous adjustments, and consider restoring viability to that which was nerfed for PvP? If damage scaling can be adjusted separately, there is no need to harm the functionality of those things for players who don't do online stuff that often.

The majority of the playerbase is not locked in perpetual PvP - it's a niche subset of the community. Please restore PvE balance! This is only half of the job, as 1.07 makes additional adjustments but undoes none for PvE.

Edit for clarification: All adjustments made to this point were to strike a balance between both the PvP and PvE aspect of the game. If they are now separate, then logically, this balance is obsolete.

[Him]

Pve needed nerf too not just PvP.

Unless you cant provide an exemple of a weapon that was overnerfed? Oh no you still cant...

Almost feels like your argument is not valid... or/and that you are a clown

[hemorrhage911]

Originally posted by Him:

Pve needed nerf too not just PvP.

Unless you cant provide an exemple of a weapon that was overnerfed? Oh no you still cant...

Almost feels like your argument are not valid... or that you are a clown

I'm starting to feel like you, as a pvper, just think you were personally attacked or something.

Your issue needs to be taken up with FS, not the OP.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Yard-Dog®:

Originally posted by John Titor:

If there's nothing to prove, then there's no argument, just opinion. Contrarian opinions are valid opinions, and not conforming to OP's opinion is not against Steam forum guidelines, and not a requirement to post in a thread.

Yeah, no ♥♥♥♥. You’re a clown if you think that’s lost on me.

What’s seemingly lost on you though is that most of the opposing opinions for which all are entitled to have are opposing what has not been said.

Airplane sounds are deafening here.

<whoosh!>

It doesn't matter what the basis of opposition is. Dude, you backed a troll, it's alright. We all make mistakes. No need to double down it.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by Him:

Pve needed nerf too not just PvP.

Unless you cant provide an exemple of a weapon that was overnerfed? Oh no you still cant...

Almost feels like your argument are not valid... or that you are a clown

I'm starting to feel like you, as a pvper, just think you were personally attacked or something.

Your issue needs to be taken up with FS, not the OP.

I have 1300hours of pure PVE and this thread f....ducking makes me sad. Because for a bloody change i want a PVE CENTERED thread....but this is a BAIT thread.
Check the OP posts history/comments.

He decided to move from the DS2 forums here, and not precisely to make "friends" just to ensure everyone knows who he is and that he played 5k hours to my little Pony.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘:

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

I'm starting to feel like you, as a pvper, just think you were personally attacked or something.

Your issue needs to be taken up with FS, not the OP.

I have 1300hours of pure PVE and this thread f....ducking makes me sad...

...just to ensure everyone knows who he is and that he played 5k hours to my little Pony.

You just appealed to some crooked element of superiority to somebody else - how many hours you've played - while talking down about that same element of superiority. Double-talk.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

[and a put-down. I am blocking you due to lack of constructive input. (6.5k soulsborne experience js) [/quote]

You know.....there are only two persons in this thread who typed a ash of war/incantation name.

Nope you are not one of them.

And sense of superiority? No, i dont need to explain myself really....check my posts history if you feel like it. Why? because i share my experience everytime i can.....like a lot of people do.
I attempted to do the same with you because like it or not, you just have 100 hours of Elden Ring experience.....THATS NOT SODDING BAD OR YOUR OPINION HAS LESS VALUE...Christ sake...you just dont have enough "material" to contribute to your own thread...

Are you right? hell yes you are and you just wasted the chance to make one of your first threads here useful.

[CazadorDeLobo]

See, can't even interact with this type of person without vitriol. My posting on Elden Ring forum here starts Nov 16th-ish, and goes on for... 90 pages? Maybe 3 of those are DS2.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198077589352/posthistory/?p=91 - vetted poster who knows the drill.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1245620/discussions/0/3203746811794940322/ - One of my first posts on this forum. Nearly 700 comments. Not locked.

I don't have to be disrespectful or rude to make a point through your aggression, bud, these are just the facts. I'm much more experienced with this game through my experience in other games than the vast majority of people - but, notice, nowhere in this thread until your antagonism did this become a part of the discussion. It's not necessary to make yourself look bad through attacking somebody and losing the argument. No further comments necessary.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

See, can't even interact with this type of person without vitriol.

Hahahaha. Come on boy....you are here to what? to score cheap shots? what i can say? bully for you!

All i had to do was to check some of your first posts from your history. Is this a valid social interaction for you? Do you actually get some dopamine relased from this?.

Aaaah good lord...

P.D: Is this guy O--I? hmmm it does have the same modus operandi.

[Narm]

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

Originally posted by Narm:

ITT: many, many words were strung together in an attempt to not say anything. It's like a debate between politicians.

If you insist on arguing that some adjustments need to be revisited, either point them out or acknowledge that only damage can be separated between PVE and PVP. The function and timing of weapon arts, spells, and weapon attacks is still shared between the two. Balance is inextricably tied to both PVE and PVP, even if damage can be scaled separately.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE SPLIT! If everything was perfectly balanced for PVP and PVE already, there would be no reason for Fromsoftware to do this lol Fromsoftware clearly realized that balancing these things with PVP or PVE in mind hurt the other. Haha

There are obviously weapons/ashes of war/spells/incantations that FS nerfed/buffed that they noticed negatively impacted one side of gameplay and their solution to this was the split. You don't need specific examples from anyone here, FS THEMSELVES noticed they created problems.

They are indeed trying to improve the balance on both, as bosses have tons of HP and players have very little. It's fundamentally problematic to balance damage in this situation without separating pve and pvp. This is given, and generally agreed upon.

The caveat is that they've only separated damage, but balance includes the timing of movesets, weapon arts, and spells. The timing is shared between pvp and pve. The majority of nerfs and buffs have been on timing and function rather than damage. Separating damage is probably the best way to handle balance, but it will never be possible to completely separately balance the two. I think they've just reached a point where they've basically finished balancing the aspects shared between PVE and PVP, and now they're moving on to polishing by adjusting damage separately.

Ya'll are never getting hoarfrost stomp spam back. Status builds are going to stay closer in effectiveness to other builds. You can't have your ridiculously fast crouch poke on your colossal sword back because it makes no sense for a weapon that big. You can't have infinite i-frames and complete positioning control like the old BHS gave. These were all shared functional issues that separate damage scaling would make no difference towards.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

...I don't have to be disrespectful or rude to make a point...

And yet you chose to do that very thing. Jesus wept.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by Narm:

Originally posted by hemorrhage911:

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE SPLIT! If everything was perfectly balanced for PVP and PVE already, there would be no reason for Fromsoftware to do this lol Fromsoftware clearly realized that balancing these things with PVP or PVE in mind hurt the other. Haha

There are obviously weapons/ashes of war/spells/incantations that FS nerfed/buffed that they noticed negatively impacted one side of gameplay and their solution to this was the split. You don't need specific examples from anyone here, FS THEMSELVES noticed they created problems.

They are indeed trying to improve the balance on both, as bosses have tons of HP and players have very little. It's fundamentally problematic to balance damage in this situation without separating pve and pvp. This is given, and generally agreed upon.

The caveat is that they've only separated damage, but balance includes the timing of movesets, weapon arts, and spells. The timing is shared between pvp and pve. The majority of nerfs and buffs have been on timing and function rather than damage. Separating damage is probably the best way to handle balance, but it will never be possible to completely separately balance the two. I think they've just reached a point where they've basically finished balancing the aspects shared between PVE and PVP, and now they're moving on to polishing by adjusting damage separately.

Ya'll are never getting hoarfrost stomp spam back. Status builds are going to stay closer in effectiveness to other builds. You can't have your ridiculously fast crouch poke on your colossal sword back because it makes no sense for a weapon that big. You can't have infinite i-frames and complete positioning control like the old BHS gave. These were all shared functional issues that separate damage scaling would make no difference towards.

I would like to add to this and say that the obviously broken things that were nerfed are far from my mind as I posit this suggestion. What made them busted was the rate of damage output, as well as other advantages those things had, combined to be so much stronger than anything else available in the game. The other things in the game are all but forgotten in the face of the outcries about PvP.

Now, people in PvE can point out to the devs what things are terribad in PvE and make no sense to exist in the game other than for PvP.

[CazadorDeLobo]

I believe the thread deserves to be bumped, only if the comments are relevant. I don't see relevance in the comments from the people I have been reporting and have blocked. While I'm happy that this gets some visibility on this forum, the only purpose that toxic behavior is serving within the thread is to derail the discussion, making it very difficult to push this suggestion to the developer; they are not here to read comments like the one above mine, are they?

To entertain any of the notions within said comments is to invite further inflammatory behavior. Nobody wants this. Please remove it.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘:

...Hmm still it does have some merit, the art of talking without actually making sense deserves to be respected.

It's a skill suited for a cushy, lucrative political job. As for respecting it...

Nah, I'll pass.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Originally posted by BetterYanek:

They are probably going to adjust the PvE scaling of many weapons in the next update. The latest one just introduced this feature, so they didn't really have the time to test much.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

I believe the thread deserves to be bumped, only if the comments are relevant. I don't see relevance in the comments from the people I have been reporting and have blocked. While I'm happy that this gets some visibility on this forum, the only purpose that toxic behavior is serving within the thread is to derail the discussion, making it very difficult to push this suggestion to the developer; they are not here to read comments like the one above mine, are they?

To entertain any of the notions within said comments is to invite further inflammatory behavior. Nobody wants this. Please remove it.

Given that the marked answer has NOTHING to do with the topic, I agree. This thread should be deleted.