ELDEN RING
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Protomesh 2022년 7월 13일 오전 12시 40분
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Elden Ring is the most overrated game ever
It's really not special at all. Just another souls like. People acting like graphically it's a masterpiece, well I think it looks mediocre at best. The graphic style Elden Ring has is something that isn't memorable. It's not iconic and it won't last the test of time.

Another thing people bring up is how they like the combat... why though? Are you all just masochists? The combat is clunky and unforgiving. It's just a big ol' repeat combat rolls to circle around a boss until you can do a critical strike or just whittle the boss down with 1000 cuts. How can anyone find that entertaining? It's the same with every boss. Mechanics don't change whatsoever. Ok, one boss has like a acid spit attack and the next one has a big stomp or tail attack... great... just use combat roll to avoid all of them just the same. You already did this in... Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3...

Ok maybe you didn't play Dark Souls, many people say this is their first soulslike. Well great... but why this one? Because it was overhyped for no reason.

This game has done nothing innovative. It's just copy paste. OH BUT it's open world!! Can't forget about that! Except your "open world" is pretty artificial, with a lot of areas being so much above your level you can't feasibly go there. What's the point? You could've literally put the entire game inside a one way tunnel and the progression would've been identical to what you would've been doing in your "open world" regardless.

Elden Ring is not a great game. Honestly, I'd even be hesitant to call it a good game. It doesn't justify the price tag.

Games and gamers alike have lost their standards. I hate the mainstream for what they are, easily falling to nonsensical hype.
첫 게시자: parasite dreams:
you're so right i am with you, i am thankful i didn't buy into the hype back when everyone was drooling waiting for this garbage to come out, i got this game as a birthday gift and I was actually feeling sorry for the person that bought this for me. this is the worst Souls game so far if you can even call it that, combat is atrocious, 80% of enemies constantly have ultrapoise through everything they do and dont give
a fu¢k about stamina either, the only way to have fun playing the game is to abuse cheese weapons or statuses like bleed/poison.

some bosses are the worst i have seen since Bed of Chaos, with Ulcerated Tree Spirit, Royal Knight Loretta and Godskin Noble being some of the worst offenders, them having little to no openings drags the fights for longer than they should. open world like you said is virtually non existent because of the level cap needed to actually have a chance at making it through certain areas, also so many areas are copypasted over and over through the map so that it almost feels like playing vanilla Skyrim.

still cant believe people had the gall of $hitting all over DS2 just because it wasnt directed by Miyazaki but it was heaps more fun than this rushed pile of $hit that we got.

i can only describe FromSoft behavior with this: 'fat coinpurse ahead, therefore time for Elden Ring'
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bestone890 2022년 7월 14일 오후 9시 08분 
Your opinion is noted. Everything that you say is completely valid for you and those that agree with you. You are allowed to hate the game as much as i love it. the only part that becomes a worthless diatribe is when people project that their opinion holds a higher standard than those that disagree or they spout off about 'not understanding" or " I don't get why people like/hate this game".
Ghaleon 2022년 7월 14일 오후 10시 37분 
Protomesh님이 먼저 게시:
It's really not special at all. Just another souls like.

Well actually th at is pretty special given there are only about 5 true soulslike games out there, and none of them are super mega hits. The fact that such a small amount of games with a relatively small amount of sales have already defined their own sub-genre is something.

Anyway this game is special because it's the first big openworld souls-like.

People acting like graphically it's a masterpiece, well I think it looks mediocre at best. The graphic style Elden Ring has is something that isn't memorable. It's not iconic and it won't last the test of time.

No comment from me. I never gush about a game being amazing for graphics. This game included


Another thing people bring up is how they like the combat... why though? Are you all just masochists?

comments like this is why people will respond in a hostile non-constructive manner, because you're basically insulting people who disagree before they even give you why they disagree. I like the combat because...

I don't use the word 'immersion' very often in games, because I'm disabled IRL, and so many games let you play as a character who is basically super-human. Even if you aren't a superhero in game, you're still superhuman. Mario even can jump like 10x his own body height. Ryu in ninja gaiden can block machine gun fire with a sword, your character in diablo can push a skillbutton one time and murder 10 demons with one click.

I like Souls games because you can sneak up on a ledge and see 2 ordinary knights below and go 'damn.. 2 knights... uh oh... how should I approach this sensibly?'.

Souls games make me NOT take for granted how powerful my avatar is, and it makes the success feel all the sweeter. That's not masochism, that's a believable fantasy.


The combat is clunky and unforgiving. It's just a big ol' repeat combat rolls to circle around a boss until you can do a critical strike or just whittle the boss down with 1000 cuts. How can anyone find that entertaining?

I admit, I think the games would be better if the rolls were more about getting out of the way to avoid damage, and less about i-frames. But given the mechanics other games have, I don't think it's particularly bad. And 1000 hits is an exaggeration. I don't even think margot would take 1000 hits to kill with a +0 dagger at level 1, and margot is considered an especially difficult first major boss in the souls series already, but even he is done that way to encourage you to explore in its open world.

I've killed most bosses in under 40 hits, let alone 100, let alone 1000. Major exaggeration.

It's the same with every boss. Mechanics don't change whatsoever. Ok, one boss has like a acid spit attack and the next one has a big stomp or tail attack... great... just use combat roll to avoid all of them just the same. You already did this in... Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3...

If it's so simple why do you think it's masochistic to pull off? Again, you're coming across as an nonconstructive whiny complainer with little desire to learn or improve or understand.

Ok maybe you didn't play Dark Souls, many people say this is their first soulslike. Well great... but why this one? Because it was overhyped for no reason.

Well I think it's overhyped cuz open world and george RR martin... by the 'professional' reviewers I mean. If you look at the user reviews, they aren't overhyped. I mean I love this game a ton and think it deserves the high critic reviews the same as any other game with su ch high reviews (from them), but I can admit that it's not absolutely perfect except like a 4% flaw or something.

This game has done nothing innovative. It's just copy paste. OH BUT it's open world!! Can't forget about that! Except your "open world" is pretty artificial, with a lot of areas being so much above your level you can't feasibly go there. What's the point? You could've literally put the entire game inside a one way tunnel and the progression would've been identical to what you would've been doing in your "open world" regardless.

Now I think your opinion is just stupid. Calling its open world artificial because it has a lot of areas being 'above your level' is dumb imo. OTHER open world games ARE artificial BECAUSE they hard-code everything to match your level. This game doesn't.

Elden Ring is not a great game. Honestly, I'd even be hesitant to call it a good game. It doesn't justify the price tag.

Well its sales are super high, and over half the users got past Margot with over 20+ hours of played, so I think it's kinda doing pretty good as far as AAA games are considered.

Games and gamers alike have lost their standards. I hate the mainstream for what they are, easily falling to nonsensical hype.

The fact that you think it takes a 'masochist' to enjoy this game makes me doubt you're actually a gamer, and I would hate to see your standards.

I can get gamers, or non gamers not liking this game, because they may want more escapism or something, and the fact that your avatar isn't some superhero or something may ruin that for their intention. But any true 'gamer' should realize that there is a market for that kind of game with its challenge, and if they can't see that, what the heck makes them t hink they are a gamer? They spent thousands of h ours on 1 or 2 super mainstream games and/or a few mobile games?
Vanessa 2022년 7월 14일 오후 10시 58분 
Ghaleon님이 먼저 게시:
Protomesh님이 먼저 게시:
It's really not special at all. Just another souls like.

Well actually th at is pretty special given there are only about 5 true soulslike games out there, and none of them are super mega hits. The fact that such a small amount of games with a relatively small amount of sales have already defined their own sub-genre is something.

Anyway this game is special because it's the first big openworld souls-like.

People acting like graphically it's a masterpiece, well I think it looks mediocre at best. The graphic style Elden Ring has is something that isn't memorable. It's not iconic and it won't last the test of time.

No comment from me. I never gush about a game being amazing for graphics. This game included


Another thing people bring up is how they like the combat... why though? Are you all just masochists?

comments like this is why people will respond in a hostile non-constructive manner, because you're basically insulting people who disagree before they even give you why they disagree. I like the combat because...

I don't use the word 'immersion' very often in games, because I'm disabled IRL, and so many games let you play as a character who is basically super-human. Even if you aren't a superhero in game, you're still superhuman. Mario even can jump like 10x his own body height. Ryu in ninja gaiden can block machine gun fire with a sword, your character in diablo can push a skillbutton one time and murder 10 demons with one click.

I like Souls games because you can sneak up on a ledge and see 2 ordinary knights below and go 'damn.. 2 knights... uh oh... how should I approach this sensibly?'.

Souls games make me NOT take for granted how powerful my avatar is, and it makes the success feel all the sweeter. That's not masochism, that's a believable fantasy.


The combat is clunky and unforgiving. It's just a big ol' repeat combat rolls to circle around a boss until you can do a critical strike or just whittle the boss down with 1000 cuts. How can anyone find that entertaining?

I admit, I think the games would be better if the rolls were more about getting out of the way to avoid damage, and less about i-frames. But given the mechanics other games have, I don't think it's particularly bad. And 1000 hits is an exaggeration. I don't even think margot would take 1000 hits to kill with a +0 dagger at level 1, and margot is considered an especially difficult first major boss in the souls series already, but even he is done that way to encourage you to explore in its open world.

I've killed most bosses in under 40 hits, let alone 100, let alone 1000. Major exaggeration.

It's the same with every boss. Mechanics don't change whatsoever. Ok, one boss has like a acid spit attack and the next one has a big stomp or tail attack... great... just use combat roll to avoid all of them just the same. You already did this in... Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3...

If it's so simple why do you think it's masochistic to pull off? Again, you're coming across as an nonconstructive whiny complainer with little desire to learn or improve or understand.

Ok maybe you didn't play Dark Souls, many people say this is their first soulslike. Well great... but why this one? Because it was overhyped for no reason.

Well I think it's overhyped cuz open world and george RR martin... by the 'professional' reviewers I mean. If you look at the user reviews, they aren't overhyped. I mean I love this game a ton and think it deserves the high critic reviews the same as any other game with su ch high reviews (from them), but I can admit that it's not absolutely perfect except like a 4% flaw or something.

This game has done nothing innovative. It's just copy paste. OH BUT it's open world!! Can't forget about that! Except your "open world" is pretty artificial, with a lot of areas being so much above your level you can't feasibly go there. What's the point? You could've literally put the entire game inside a one way tunnel and the progression would've been identical to what you would've been doing in your "open world" regardless.

Now I think your opinion is just stupid. Calling its open world artificial because it has a lot of areas being 'above your level' is dumb imo. OTHER open world games ARE artificial BECAUSE they hard-code everything to match your level. This game doesn't.

Elden Ring is not a great game. Honestly, I'd even be hesitant to call it a good game. It doesn't justify the price tag.

Well its sales are super high, and over half the users got past Margot with over 20+ hours of played, so I think it's kinda doing pretty good as far as AAA games are considered.

Games and gamers alike have lost their standards. I hate the mainstream for what they are, easily falling to nonsensical hype.

The fact that you think it takes a 'masochist' to enjoy this game makes me doubt you're actually a gamer, and I would hate to see your standards.

I can get gamers, or non gamers not liking this game, because they may want more escapism or something, and the fact that your avatar isn't some superhero or something may ruin that for their intention. But any true 'gamer' should realize that there is a market for that kind of game with its challenge, and if they can't see that, what the heck makes them t hink they are a gamer? They spent thousands of h ours on 1 or 2 super mainstream games and/or a few mobile games?

Probably the best most thought out and well reasoned response in this entire thread lol.
Tyrone Biggums 2022년 7월 14일 오후 11시 16분 
Protomesh님이 먼저 게시:
It's really not special at all. Just another souls like. People acting like graphically it's a masterpiece, well I think it looks mediocre at best. The graphic style Elden Ring has is something that isn't memorable. It's not iconic and it won't last the test of time.

Another thing people bring up is how they like the combat... why though? Are you all just masochists? The combat is clunky and unforgiving. It's just a big ol' repeat combat rolls to circle around a boss until you can do a critical strike or just whittle the boss down with 1000 cuts. How can anyone find that entertaining? It's the same with every boss. Mechanics don't change whatsoever. Ok, one boss has like a acid spit attack and the next one has a big stomp or tail attack... great... just use combat roll to avoid all of them just the same. You already did this in... Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3...

Ok maybe you didn't play Dark Souls, many people say this is their first soulslike. Well great... but why this one? Because it was overhyped for no reason.

This game has done nothing innovative. It's just copy paste. OH BUT it's open world!! Can't forget about that! Except your "open world" is pretty artificial, with a lot of areas being so much above your level you can't feasibly go there. What's the point? You could've literally put the entire game inside a one way tunnel and the progression would've been identical to what you would've been doing in your "open world" regardless.

Elden Ring is not a great game. Honestly, I'd even be hesitant to call it a good game. It doesn't justify the price tag.

Games and gamers alike have lost their standards. I hate the mainstream for what they are, easily falling to nonsensical hype.

i think its over rated but for a good reason the game is amazing but the combat is quite clunky as is all soul games
Marcus 2022년 7월 14일 오후 11시 34분 
Protomesh님이 먼저 게시:
It's really not special at all. Just another souls like. People acting like graphically it's a masterpiece, well I think it looks mediocre at best. The graphic style Elden Ring has is something that isn't memorable. It's not iconic and it won't last the test of time.

Another thing people bring up is how they like the combat... why though? Are you all just masochists? The combat is clunky and unforgiving. It's just a big ol' repeat combat rolls to circle around a boss until you can do a critical strike or just whittle the boss down with 1000 cuts. How can anyone find that entertaining? It's the same with every boss. Mechanics don't change whatsoever. Ok, one boss has like a acid spit attack and the next one has a big stomp or tail attack... great... just use combat roll to avoid all of them just the same. You already did this in... Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3...

Ok maybe you didn't play Dark Souls, many people say this is their first soulslike. Well great... but why this one? Because it was overhyped for no reason.

This game has done nothing innovative. It's just copy paste. OH BUT it's open world!! Can't forget about that! Except your "open world" is pretty artificial, with a lot of areas being so much above your level you can't feasibly go there. What's the point? You could've literally put the entire game inside a one way tunnel and the progression would've been identical to what you would've been doing in your "open world" regardless.

Elden Ring is not a great game. Honestly, I'd even be hesitant to call it a good game. It doesn't justify the price tag.

Games and gamers alike have lost their standards. I hate the mainstream for what they are, easily falling to nonsensical hype.

I agree that its not that unique as many finds it. But then again its peoples opinions. And its fine.
Always loved the Dark Souls series, so Elden Ring fitted me well. Dident expect alot more then that, and i havent bin dissapointed.
But i guess its all about what expectations you have to the game.
Jaago 2022년 7월 14일 오후 11시 56분 
It was super overhyped, at least in my mind. It was "ok" for the most part as single player experience, but I have always been playing souls for the multiplayer and in elden it's totally crap. Invasions were fun and super addictive in ds3 and it blended well with level design. Still really bummed that they decided not to fix the server issues.
hottnova75 2022년 7월 15일 오전 12시 10분 
I remember before there were consoles and computers at peoples homes. I remember black and white televisions and almost zero other electronics other than radios or telephones. People today are spoiled little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This game is Awesome.
parasite dreams 2022년 7월 15일 오전 1시 40분 
hottnova75님이 먼저 게시:
I remember before there were consoles and computers at peoples homes. I remember black and white televisions and almost zero other electronics other than radios or telephones. People today are spoiled little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This game is Awesome.

ok boomer. so basically criticism, hence not welcoming ex ante each and every pile of $hit that gets shoved in your throat is being spoiled? not so friendly reminder, fromsoft isnt publishing games for charity or just for our entertainment, they are making good money off of them, often even using recycled assets instead of being innovative. for someone who claims they have been around for such a long time you seem to have zero understanding of how the world works.


this game is the most tedious and lazy From release ive ever seen, annoying and unfun enough to drive you to the verge of uninstalling, and it even costs a lot more than any souls release so far without having the same replayability appeal: advertising does wonders. people bought into the hype and they got what they asked for, a rushed mess with no SOUL (get it?) poured in it.
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Vanessa 2022년 7월 15일 오전 2시 12분 
grub with a db님이 먼저 게시:
hottnova75님이 먼저 게시:
I remember before there were consoles and computers at peoples homes. I remember black and white televisions and almost zero other electronics other than radios or telephones. People today are spoiled little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This game is Awesome.

ok boomer. so basically criticism, hence not welcoming ex ante each and every pile of $hit that gets shoved in your throat is being spoiled? not so friendly reminder, fromsoft isnt publishing games for charity or just for our entertainment, they are making good money off of them, often even using recycled assets instead of being innovative. for someone who claims they have been around for such a long time you seem to have zero understanding of how the world works.


this game is the most tedious and lazy From release ive ever seen, annoying and unfun enough to drive you to the verge of uninstalling, and it even costs a lot more than any souls release so far without having the same replayability appeal: advertising does wonders. people bought into the hype and they got what they asked for, a rushed mess with no SOUL (get it?) poured in it.

Tbh I find elden ring has the most replayability of any souls game i've played, there are so many different weapons and build options (especially using ashes of war) its super fun to play through mulitple times.
Ulmace 2022년 7월 15일 오전 2시 18분 
grub with a db님이 먼저 게시:
hottnova75님이 먼저 게시:
I remember before there were consoles and computers at peoples homes. I remember black and white televisions and almost zero other electronics other than radios or telephones. People today are spoiled little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This game is Awesome.

ok boomer. so basically criticism, hence not welcoming ex ante each and every pile of $hit that gets shoved in your throat is being spoiled? not so friendly reminder, fromsoft isnt publishing games for charity or just for our entertainment, they are making good money off of them, often even using recycled assets instead of being innovative. for someone who claims they have been around for such a long time you seem to have zero understanding of how the world works.


this game is the most tedious and lazy From release ive ever seen, annoying and unfun enough to drive you to the verge of uninstalling, and it even costs a lot more than any souls release so far without having the same replayability appeal: advertising does wonders. people bought into the hype and they got what they asked for, a rushed mess with no SOUL (get it?) poured in it.
for long time souls fans there is not much new, but they managed to pull in a very large crowd of people that were having their first souls experience with this game and for these people a new world opened up.
parasite dreams 2022년 7월 15일 오전 2시 27분 
Ulmace님이 먼저 게시:
for long time souls fans there is not much new, but they managed to pull in a very large crowd of people that were having their first souls experience with this game and for these people a new world opened up.

id be surprised if people were not pushed away from the genre because of this title alone. i am sure that they are enjoying the game solely because they play with friends or use summons that trivialize the game to a massive extent. because if those same people were to move on to any DS game they would be utterly bewildered by the lack of those mechanics. (they could still summon in boss fights sure but they would have to put in some work as well, summons in DS games make the bosses stronger)

then again i dont really care about how people play, want the game to be a walk in the park or maybe try to overcome challenges with your own skill? the choice is yours but i can say i am proud of myself for never using a single summon for a boss fight or anything else in a DS game.
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Ulmace 2022년 7월 15일 오전 2시 52분 
grub with a db님이 먼저 게시:
Ulmace님이 먼저 게시:
for long time souls fans there is not much new, but they managed to pull in a very large crowd of people that were having their first souls experience with this game and for these people a new world opened up.

id be surprised if people were not pushed away from the genre because of this title alone. i am sure that they are enjoying the game solely because they play with friends or use summons that trivialize the game to a massive extent. because if those same people were to move on to any DS game they would be utterly bewildered by the lack of those mechanics. (they could still summon in boss fights sure but they would have to put in some work as well, summons in DS games make the bosses stronger)

then again i dont really care about how people play, want the game to be a walk in the park or maybe try to overcome challenges with your own skill? the choice is yours but i can say i am proud of myself for never using a single summon for a boss fight or anything else in a DS game.
there must be something in your life to be proud of
ThatDude 2022년 7월 15일 오전 3시 00분 
i would love to see your ♥♥♥♥ gameplay, go cry somewhere else, nobody cares that youre bad, get gud KID
parasite dreams 2022년 7월 15일 오전 3시 03분 
Ulmace님이 먼저 게시:
there must be something in your life to be proud of

you are not making me proud of you with your lack of arguments, thats for sure
Ulmace 2022년 7월 15일 오전 4시 11분 
grub with a db님이 먼저 게시:
Ulmace님이 먼저 게시:
there must be something in your life to be proud of

you are not making me proud of you with your lack of arguments, thats for sure
you lack imagination
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