y do ppl think summoning makes it a unfair fight?

[OldeTimey]

any fight I win is a fair fight in my eyes.

[chima]

cuz more than 1 target breaks the enemy AI

[OldeTimey]

anything they give me to use is a fair fight.

[An Irate Walrus]

Because some folks have tied an unhealthy amount of their sense of self to the games they play.

Often, they're the same folks playing the "I was here first" as if it means a damn thing--despite having started with Dark 2 or 3 (or even 1, honestly; "I was here first" is a fool's game, because the claim is almost *always* wrong).

[Fineous🔥]

As i said in other thread summons become more useless and useless each NG+, till the point they pretty much get murdered by the first bosses of the game.

They are another resource you have at your disposal. Nothing more or less.

Originally posted by chima:

cuz more than 1 target breaks the enemy AI

No. I have a recorded co-op of Radagon and the jelly beast video i will not post here for the sake of spoilers and you can clearly notice the beast does its best to lay down the smackdown equally on every one from the 3 man party.

[chima]

i personally feel like summons make the victory feel hollow but you can ultimately do what you want. i know i used ash summons during that gargoyle fight because it was horrible

[Senki]

As someone that ruined my first playthrough with summons (only near the end) I can confirm it literally makes it an unfair fight. I didn't have to learn how to dodge Malenia,Maliketh or Godfrey and stomped them easily because of it.

Without summons you have to actually learn how to fight properly.

Now even if it is unfair, if you find it fun then it doesn't matter. All that matters is that you are entertained and play how you want to play. It's your game, do what you want. Just don't claim that it's a fair fight, because it isn't.

[Fineous🔥]

He. Had to kill Malenia first time without mimic (full sorcerer) because it healed her more than damaged.

[Heimdall313]

The first time I summoned Kaidan on Rennala, I almost felt bad as this northern savage spammed his knockdown and chopped her to bits.
Then, I remembered the 10+ times I died to her low HP summon spam that basically traps you into constant dodge between her projectiles and a bloodhound knight / troll / dragon / pack of wolves until you eventually screw up or give up.
It felt good helping my Kaidan chop her to bits.

[atms]

Each to their own. I am not great player, ER is my first souls game so I've been using wolves or mimic tear in almost every fight. I am proud on killing Radahn 1v1 without any summons though (I didnt know there were summon writings, lol)
I am planning another play-though soon with better build and without ashes.
Killing bosses feels less rewarding if you use ashes.

[OldeTimey]

I don't know what is proper in your book, but i applaud your courage, meanwhile I will take my victory with an AI summons or a player, in stride and gleeful victory.

[Alexis Machine]

Originally posted by OldeTimey:

any fight I win is a fair fight in my eyes.

If it's in the game, it's fair to use it
There are no crutches; the only real crutch is believing that something that is in the game is a crutch

[John Titor]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Because some folks have tied an unhealthy amount of their sense of self to the games they play...

Day 57

I've stopped vomiting. I think I'm beginning to enjoy the taste of dung now. Things are looking golden, however my blue doll still refuses to speak to me.

[OldeTimey]

if they gave me a nuclear bomb i would gleefully use it, so make sure you're not in my area lol.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by Senki:

As someone that ruined my first playthrough with summons (only near the end) I can confirm it literally makes it an unfair fight. I didn't have to learn how to dodge Malenia,Maliketh or Godfrey and stomped them easily because of it.

Without summons you have to actually learn how to fight properly.

Now even if it is unfair, if you find it fun then it doesn't matter. All that matters is that you are entertained and play how you want to play. It's your game, do what you want. Just don't claim that it's a fair fight, because it isn't.

I formally object.

Any fight you win with any tools in the game is fought properly and is fair. Enemies bring weapon arts and summons, too, and some abilities you can't even have yourself.

What weapons you want to use or not is a matter of personal playstyle, nothing more.

Btw, even with summons I had to learn how to dodge Malenia, how to not die to Maliketh within seconds and how to deal with Godfrey's endless stomping.

[Hitori]

any advantage i can get is a fair fight