[SPOILERS] About Marika and Radagon

[Orion Invictus]

I'm just gonna put some filler here so people don't accidentally hover over the thread and get spoiled. Lorem ipsum whatever.

So, Radagon is Marika, but he's also different from her (has a different will, for instance - she shattered the Ring and he tried to repair it) and she herself said he was "almost" her. She also married him, which is bizarre all on its own. How does any of that work? Did she split into two people, or did she create a life form in her image?

Speculate, please. And no YT videos, I don't want to watch someone else talk about this for slightly over 10 minutes, I want your opinions.

[BoxerDanc]

Similar to trinity, but I suppose it's dinity. Or binity.

[John Titor]

I dont have any solid answers myself...yet. I'm glad to see more lore threads though!

[RyuKazé]

The shattering split her personality/body in two: One ruled by The Greater Will (Radagon) and one divorced from The Greater Will.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by RyuKazé:

The shattering split her personality/body in two: One ruled by The Greater Will (Radagon) and one divorced from The Greater Will.

I thought the Shattering was post-split. Radagon got married and everything, and I think it's said he tried to stop Marika from shattering the Ring.

Originally posted by John Titor:

I dont have any solid answers myself...yet. I'm glad to see more lore threads though!

Same here. I love lore. I just wish we had concrete answers. In the end, this is probably going to be a 100% speculative thread because there's no answer.

[fauxpas]

I personally think it's the same as we see in game, one body, two minds and shape-shifting between the two personalities.


Unless I missed something I don't think the two are ever said to have been seen together and we know teleportation and magical projections exist.


The having children with herself is probably more metaphor and spiritual then the two actually having sex, but I did run across a YouTube video with an ... "interesting" ... take based off the fact Martin wrote the backstory and includes deviant and disturbing "family relations" in his stories which basically has Rad sleeping with a shape shifted Godwynn.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

I personally think it's the same as we see in game, one body, two minds and shape-shifting between the two personalities.


Unless I missed something I don't think the two are ever said to have been seen together and we know teleportation and magical projections exist.


The having children with herself is probably more metaphor and spiritual then the two actually having sex, but I did run across a YouTube video with an ... "interesting" ... take based off the fact Martin wrote the backstory and includes deviant and disturbing "family relations" in his stories which basically has Rad sleeping with a shape shifted Godwynn.

Was Radagon shape-shifting? I perceived it more as him being absorbed into Marika.

[zero]

there's a lot of shenagans that aren't fully explained, but as far as im aware, they at the very least started seperate bodies, had seperate wills, but as far as they were concerned, were one person, and as was anyone else.

sometime after the shattering?, the queen and radagon become one body, because radagon supported the golden order more then marika(? not 100% there) and they fought over the one body.


by the time we arrive, radagon wins, either due to us or just pure circumstance and we end up fighting him

i don't *think* its shapeshifting, simply the form of the body taking charateristics of the more dominate personality, though i suppose thats a semantic at that point.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

I personally think it's the same as we see in game, one body, two minds and shape-shifting between the two personalities.


Unless I missed something I don't think the two are ever said to have been seen together and we know teleportation and magical projections exist.


The having children with herself is probably more metaphor and spiritual then the two actually having sex, but I did run across a YouTube video with an ... "interesting" ... take based off the fact Martin wrote the backstory and includes deviant and disturbing "family relations" in his stories which basically has Rad sleeping with a shape shifted Godwynn.

Was Radagon shape-shifting? I perceived it more as him being absorbed into Marika.

My interpretation is that Rad and Marika were never "two people" and the 'split' was purely mental and not physical in nature.


I think the reason for the split was probably to try to get around the Greater Will's curse that would cause her shadow to go mad and destroy her if she betrayed it, hence the reason Rad is so loyal.

[zero]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Was Radagon shape-shifting? I perceived it more as him being absorbed into Marika.

My interpretation is that Rad and Marika were never "two people" and the 'split' was purely mental and not physical in nature.


I think the reason for the split was probably to try to get around the Greater Will's curse that would cause her shadow to go mad and destroy her if she betrayed it, hence the reason Rad is so loyal.

radagon married queen rennala and had children, while the queen was doing her own thing, they were at least of 2 bodies at the start.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by zero:

there's a lot of shenagans that aren't fully explained, but as far as im aware, they at the very least started seperate bodies, had seperate wills, but as far as they were concerned, were one person, and as was anyone else.

sometime after the shattering, the queen and radagon become one body, because radagon supported the golden order more then marika(? not 100% there) and they fought over the one body.

edit: before the shattering, after becoming queen, my b

by the time we arrive, radagon wins, either due to us or just pure circumstance and we end up fighting him

i don't *think* its shapeshifting, simply the form of the body taking charateristics of the more dominate personality, though i suppose thats a semantic at that point.

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Was Radagon shape-shifting? I perceived it more as him being absorbed into Marika.

My interpretation is that Rad and Marika were never "two people" and the 'split' was purely mental and not physical in nature.


I think the reason for the split was probably to try to get around the Greater Will's curse that would cause her shadow to go mad and destroy her if she betrayed it, hence the reason Rad is so loyal.

I mean, when I was looking at it, looking at Marika's broken statue, it definitely felt like one of them was being absorbed by the other. Besides, how would Marika marry Radagon if they couldn't both be there at the same time, in separate bodies?

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

My interpretation is that Rad and Marika were never "two people" and the 'split' was purely mental and not physical in nature.


I think the reason for the split was probably to try to get around the Greater Will's curse that would cause her shadow to go mad and destroy her if she betrayed it, hence the reason Rad is so loyal.

radagon married queen rennala and had children, while the queen was doing her own thing, they were at least of 2 bodies at the start.

I personally don't see that as an obstacle given we know both teleportation and magical projections that are solid and capable of affecting the world exist.

[fauxpas]

Under my interpretation, Rad was the 'real body' during that portion of the timeline and Marika was the projection since I don't think we hear of her doing anything that interesting during the time period.

[zero]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by zero:

radagon married queen rennala and had children, while the queen was doing her own thing, they were at least of 2 bodies at the start.

I personally don't see that as an obstacle given we know both teleportation and magical projections that are solid and capable of affecting the world exist.

i mean sure, but radagon recieves orders from marika to campaign aganist the royal family of carian, you wouldn't need to order yourself if you were of one body, this is what leads to them getting married(rad and renna), this would be before she(the queen) marries her other half(rad) and before they become of one body

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by zero:

there's a lot of shenagans that aren't fully explained, but as far as im aware, they at the very least started seperate bodies, had seperate wills, but as far as they were concerned, were one person, and as was anyone else.

sometime after the shattering, the queen and radagon become one body, because radagon supported the golden order more then marika(? not 100% there) and they fought over the one body.

edit: before the shattering, after becoming queen, my b

by the time we arrive, radagon wins, either due to us or just pure circumstance and we end up fighting him

i don't *think* its shapeshifting, simply the form of the body taking charateristics of the more dominate personality, though i suppose thats a semantic at that point.

Originally posted by fauxpas:

My interpretation is that Rad and Marika were never "two people" and the 'split' was purely mental and not physical in nature.


I think the reason for the split was probably to try to get around the Greater Will's curse that would cause her shadow to go mad and destroy her if she betrayed it, hence the reason Rad is so loyal.

I mean, when I was looking at it, looking at Marika's broken statue, it definitely felt like one of them was being absorbed by the other. Besides, how would Marika marry Radagon if they couldn't both be there at the same time, in separate bodies?

I'm looking at the two more in a divine 'Holy Trinity' sense then people at this point, and maybe that's the wrong way to look at it.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

I personally don't see that as an obstacle given we know both teleportation and magical projections that are solid and capable of affecting the world exist.

i mean sure, but radagon recieves orders from marika to campaign aganist the royal family of carian, you wouldn't need to order yourself if you were of one body, this is what leads to them getting married(rad and renna), this would be before she(the queen) marries her other half(rad) and before they become of one body

True, but if you don't want your army to know their general was really a shape-shifting insane God-Queen (and we do know that information was kept secret) it's easier to tell your troops the Queen ordered the March.