My theory about the similarities between Melina and Ranni

[Wushiba]

I have a strong suspicion that Melina is actually Ranni's original body or rather just her spirit or what's left of it, but she forgot her past when she died, or rather when she was betrayed and killed by her own mentor.

My reasoning:
You can find Ranni's original corpse on top of the Liurnia Divine Tower and she seems to have red-ish hair, probably inhereted from Radagon. Melina's hair color is somewhat similarly red-ish as well, could be that she didn't have full red hair like Radagon but the same color Melina has, because she is her. Another possibility is that her skin and hair color is lighter and more pale than it used to be because she's only a spirit now.

People think that Melina's mother must be Marika because Melina mentions how her mother "gave her purpose at the ErdTree", but they forget that Radagon had access to the ErdTree as well and Radagon is actually Marika, so in a sense they are correct that Marika gave her purpose, but not really. So what if Radagon took Rennala and the original Ranni/Melina to the ErdTree for some reason and that's where Ranni's mother Rennala gave Ranni her purpose? Or perhaps when she means her mother gave her purpose she could easily mean that it was Radagon, but she looked at him/her as her mother. Of course at this time she looked like Melina because that is her original body and self, she just forgot it because:

At the ErdTree Gazing Hill Melina says that she "forgot" her "purpose" and "lives burned and bodiless", well Ranni's corpse is burned on the Liurnia Divine Tower is actually looks like it was burned too and the "bodiless" part can be taken as that she is a spirit and doesn't poses a physical body.

and...

Ranni had a mentor, a witch who trained her and an item description says that Ranni made her doll body in the likeness of the witch to honor her or something. I think this is a lie. I think the reason why Ranni's doll body took on the witch's appearance because it is actually not Ranni, but the witch who was her mentor. Ranni was tricked by this witch, who took her demigod powers and immortality and then pretended to be Ranni to achieve her goal. Ranni's spirit survived somehow, but due to the ritual that killed her and seperated her body and spirit she doesn't remember only a couple of faint things, like her mother giving her purpose at the ErdTree. Maybe she doesn't even remembers her mother's face or name just a feeling that it was her mother, that's why she doesn't specifically mentions Rennala's or Marika's name.

Remember that when we first meet Ranni, she introduces herself as Renna, but why? Maybe that is the real name of the witch? She says "I doubt we will meet again, Tarnished." So perhaps she told her original name by mistake because she thought we are just another lowly tarnished who is going to get killed by the first enemy. (And she was kind of right lol) But she couldn't even imagine how determined we are and that this lowly tarnished will kill demigod after demigod and meet her again. Then once we meet this doll witch again she starts pretending to be Ranni because that's how the people around her know her. She also says that she have something from Torrent's original owner if I remember correctly, which could mean the real Ranni in her original Melina body.

Conclusion:
After all this, I think that strange mark on Ranni and Melina's eye could be the mark of the soul seperating ritual. The witch tricked Ranni into it and killed her, but maybe it didn't go as smoothly as she thought it would so it left its mark on both of them, perhaps that's why the doll's body is broken and needs rest at times. I very firmly believe this and this is my headcanon until someone can prove it wrong.

Thoughts?

[Lod101]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by Lod101:

So you be saying she would have been blessed/specail before them shattering?

That's a good question, I haven't really thought of it. Maybe after the shattering when Marika was already locked up, she gathered her remaining godly powers to summon Ranni's spirit who is Melina now and blessed her to send her to find a tarnished who can set her free.

so she summoned melina inside the Erdtree that lets no1 in or out of it?

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by zero:

you make a few too many leaps in logic.

yes ranni had red hair orginally if the red splotches on the corpse aren't mistakes, but mel hair is just straight up brown

you also don't really have any proof of the lying witch.

and if Rad brought her body for the purpose of making mel, it makes no sense for ranni to know where her body is(or her body to be where it is anyway)

plus the whole "both of them have eye mark" thing is faulty too as ranni's is connected to her spiritual form, considering the overlapping spirit they do, and mel's is probably related to w/e is special about her eye, as one ending shows.

My proof for the witch lying is that Ranni uses the witch's body and teachings and pretty much everything she knew of her, even her clothes probably, because she isn't really Ranni, just pretends to keep Ranni's allies.

I mean, if Ranni was her student, its not surprise she uses similar spells....

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

My proof for the witch lying is that Ranni uses the witch's body and teachings and pretty much everything she knew of her, even her clothes probably, because she isn't really Ranni, just pretends to keep Ranni's allies.

why would you mimic the form of your mentor if you disliked them and they lied to you?

When I said Ranni uses the witch's body I meant that the doll witch who we know as Ranni (but who is in truth the witch mentor) uses it.

[deteringwilliam]

I won't rule out that Melina and Ranni have an association to one another, they are most probably half siblings, and going by the assumption Melina is Torrent's former owner, then Melina and Ranni appear to be on amicable terms.

[zero]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by zero:

why would you mimic the form of your mentor if you disliked them and they lied to you?

When I said Ranni uses the witch's body I meant that the doll witch who we know as Ranni (but who is in truth the witch mentor) uses

Originally posted by zero:

that is also not proof, in like the slightest. also like, item descriptions:

Originally posted by snow witch hat:

Once worn by the snowy crone who the young Ranni encountered deep in the woods. She was a witch, and well versed in cold sorceries. It is said that the doll that houses Ranni's soul was modeled after her.

ranni intended for her form to mimic her mentor.

cant be the witch mentor in the body if ranni's soul is in the body.

you cut out the literal part that disproves your argument.

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Lod101:

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

That's a good question, I haven't really thought of it. Maybe after the shattering when Marika was already locked up, she gathered her remaining godly powers to summon Ranni's spirit who is Melina now and blessed her to send her to find a tarnished who can set her free.

so she summoned melina inside the Erdtree that lets no1 in or out of it?

Yes, except spirits. Special demigod spirits if the most powerful god Marika uses all her remaining powers to get them through. I can see that being true, sure.

[Lod101]

also if we want to be scientific the burden of proofing your theory lies with you and no1 needs to debunk it.
And so far you have only more or less a accumulation of maybe's and nothing really substantial

[fauxpas]

You are literally arguing for the "Last Thursday" theory. 🤣


For those that don't know, the universe was created Last Thursday, complete with fossils, old newspapers, ect. Probably by a Boltzmann Brain.

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

When I said Ranni uses the witch's body I meant that the doll witch who we know as Ranni (but who is in truth the witch mentor) uses

Originally posted by zero:

that is also not proof, in like the slightest. also like, item descriptions:



ranni intended for her form to mimic her mentor.

cant be the witch mentor in the body if ranni's soul is in the body.

you cut out the literal part that disproves your argument.

I never said Ranni's soul is in the doll body. Either you misunderstood me somewhere or I worded myself wrong.

[zero]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by zero:

cant be the witch mentor in the body if ranni's soul is in the body.

you cut out the literal part that disproves your argument.

I never said Ranni's soul is in the doll body. Either you misunderstood me somewhere or I worded myself wrong.

your def wording yourself wrong cause from my understanding you keep implying the mentor is still around in some way, when it is only ranni we interact with.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Lod101:

also if we want to be scientific the burden of proofing your theory lies with you and no1 needs to debunk it.
And so far you have only more or less a accumulation of maybe's and nothing really substantial

Yeah, you cant really go on about "disprove me" when your theory doesnt have anything supporting it besides just "What ifs"

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

I never said Ranni's soul is in the doll body. Either you misunderstood me somewhere or I worded myself wrong.

your def wording yourself wrong cause from my understanding you keep implying the mentor is still around in some way, when it is only ranni we interact with.

Please read the entirety of my OP. I think I am pretty clear with things.

[zero]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by zero:

your def wording yourself wrong cause from my understanding you keep implying the mentor is still around in some way, when it is only ranni we interact with.

Please read the entirety of my OP. I think I am pretty clear with things.

you're not, cause you found it upon nothing, whereas i instantly disproved this section:

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Ranni had a mentor, a witch who trained her and an item description says that Ranni made her doll body in the likeness of the witch to honor her or something. I think this is a lie. I think the reason why Ranni's doll body took on the witch's appearance because it is actually not Ranni, but the witch who was her mentor.
Thoughts?

with the single item description:

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by snow witch hat:

Once worn by the snowy crone who the young Ranni encountered deep in the woods. She was a witch, and well versed in cold sorceries. It is said that the doll that houses Ranni's soul was modeled after her.

ranni intended for her form to mimic her mentor.

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Originally posted by Lod101:

also if we want to be scientific the burden of proofing your theory lies with you and no1 needs to debunk it.
And so far you have only more or less a accumulation of maybe's and nothing really substantial

Yeah, you cant really go on about "disprove me" when your theory doesnt have anything supporting it besides just "What ifs"

Okay, that's good enough for me honestly. If you can't disprove it that doesn't mean its wrong just because you don't see the connections like I do. I just don't understand how can you be so closed minded that you outright say that "it literally cannot be true in any way" instead of wording yourself like "From my own experience and perspective I don't think it is true, even though I cannot show defenitive proof for it."

[BigCheese]

Originally posted by Wushiba O .. O:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Yeah, you cant really go on about "disprove me" when your theory doesnt have anything supporting it besides just "What ifs"

Okay, that's good enough for me honestly. If you can't disprove it that doesn't mean its wrong just because you don't see the connections like I do. I just don't understand how can you be so closed minded that you outright say that "it literally cannot be true in any way" instead of wording yourself like "From my own experience and perspective I don't think it is true, even though I cannot show defenitive proof for it."

Because he isn't having a good faith discussion. He's just fighting on the internet.