Try going back to dark souls 3 after playing Elden Ring.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

I have been playing Elden Ring non stop since release. Completed the game 8 times with 8 new games and characters and still doing 2 more new games with 2 new characters. Planning on doing NG++++++++++etc; later.

Then I decided to take a break from ER for a day. Remembered all the whining about how DS 3 is a better game. So I took one day to revisit old DS 3. Many years ago I struggled like mad to finish the game. But, to my surprise it took me only a day to finish the game. DS 3 is easy... after what I have gone thru with Elden Ring.

Yeah... some superior game DS 3 is. LOL.

[Kyutaru]

引用自 It's all Frenzy now：

Just chiming in to say DS2 is still undisputed king and anyone who doesen't agree is a cashew.

Cashew outside in Tower of Flame.

[Holografix]

if someone like Vaati, who crafts these wonderful videos of Fromsoftware games lore, is convinced that out of all the From games he loves, he realizes that Elden Ring has the best story, I think it's quite reasonable to concur.

i of course finished Elden Ring twice before watching any of Vaati's videos (didn't want to be spoiled), but I came to the same conclusion on my own.

It's pretty apparent that Elden Ring has the best story and atmosphere of all From's titles. I know there's a small contigency of BB zealots, but when is anything accurately measured via fanaticism?

[RyuKazé]

DS3 is only good to play now with overhaul mods. I have 3 more bosses in Convergence and I wanna try Archthrones if it's out as it seems modeled after Demon's Souls.

[Kain]

引用自 Holografix：

if someone like Vaati, who crafts these wonderful videos of Fromsoftware games lore, is convinced that out of all the From games he loves, he realizes that Elden Ring has the best story, I think it's quite reasonable to concur.

i of course finished Elden Ring twice before watching any of Vaati's videos (didn't want to be spoiled), but I came to the same conclusion on my own.

It's pretty apparent that Elden Ring has the best story and atmosphere of all From's titles. I know there's a small contigency of BB zealots, but when is anything accurately measured via fanaticism?

If Vaati is convinced this is the best of all From game's story wise, that's his opinion. His credentials means nothing when we can find out for ourselves or watch multiple story videos and come out with our own conclusions.

There are many things that can be used to leverage a good story, pacing, narrative, themes and so on, many of those are subjective. Specially for a From Software game which will always leave gaps for interpretations.

[Holografix]

引用自 Kain：

引用自 Holografix：

if someone like Vaati, who crafts these wonderful videos of Fromsoftware games lore, is convinced that out of all the From games he loves, he realizes that Elden Ring has the best story, I think it's quite reasonable to concur.

i of course finished Elden Ring twice before watching any of Vaati's videos (didn't want to be spoiled), but I came to the same conclusion on my own.

It's pretty apparent that Elden Ring has the best story and atmosphere of all From's titles. I know there's a small contigency of BB zealots, but when is anything accurately measured via fanaticism?

If Vaati is convinced this is the best of all From game's story wise, that's his opinion. His credentials means nothing when we can find out for ourselves or watch multiple story videos and come out with our own conclusions.

There are many things that can be used to leverage a good story, pacing, narrative, themes and so on, many of those are subjective. Specially for a From Software game which will always leave gaps for interpretations.

so you don't give Vaati any semblance of being a little more attuned to the lore of From's games than the average player?

i think it's pretty safe to say that Vaati really does his research and puts the time and effort for their opinion to weigh a little heavier than that of an average player.

perhaps you believe that it's all just opinions, and you're correct, they're all just opinions, but honestly I think Vaati's is weightier.

[Kain]

And that's fair, but using his credibility to boost your arguments seldom work. If the best you can do is ER is better because Vaati says so, people will think your opinion weight far less than anyone else's.

[hemorrhage911]

引用自 Holografix：

引用自 Kain：

If Vaati is convinced this is the best of all From game's story wise, that's his opinion. His credentials means nothing when we can find out for ourselves or watch multiple story videos and come out with our own conclusions.

There are many things that can be used to leverage a good story, pacing, narrative, themes and so on, many of those are subjective. Specially for a From Software game which will always leave gaps for interpretations.

so you don't give Vaati any semblance of being a little more attuned to the lore of From's games than the average player?

i think it's pretty safe to say that Vaati really does his research and puts the time and effort for their opinion to weigh a little heavier than that of an average player.

perhaps you believe that it's all just opinions, and you're correct, they're all just opinions, but honestly I think Vaati's is weightier.

This is seriously bordering on appeal to authority - except it's worse, you are going by a guy with sub count.

I've never watched a single video by Vaati and I have a grasp of the lore of each Fromsoftware game and had enough discussions with people who have similar understanding of the lore - I've never felt the need to watch Vaait or put weight into any YouTubers thoughts on the game anymore than the average person online.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

I too wish I liked Dark Souls 3 more.

[CourtesyFlush09]

引用自 It's all Frenzy now：

Just chiming in to say DS2 is still undisputed king and anyone who doesen't agree is a cashew.

I disagree. Ironically enough, ER is kinda like the "DS2 of Souls games," if that makes sense lol. It's not quite as good as previous Souls games, but it's still better than most other games out there.

[CourtesyFlush09]

引用自 Holografix：

i don't know if you know about Vaati, but if you think that his grasp on the lore of most Fromsoftware games is legit, here's him saying @28:30-28:40 that "Elden Ring might be the best story Fromsoftware has put together."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYDs_Inzkz4
so it's not just me.

"Might be."

[Holografix]

引用自 Kain：

And that's fair, but using his credibility to boost your arguments seldom work. If the best you can do is ER is better because Vaati says so, people will think your opinion weight far less than anyone else's.

引用自 hemorrhage911：

引用自 Holografix：

so you don't give Vaati any semblance of being a little more attuned to the lore of From's games than the average player?

i think it's pretty safe to say that Vaati really does his research and puts the time and effort for their opinion to weigh a little heavier than that of an average player.

perhaps you believe that it's all just opinions, and you're correct, they're all just opinions, but honestly I think Vaati's is weightier.

This is seriously bordering on appeal to authority - except it's worse, you are going by a guy with sub count.

I've never watched a single video by Vaati and I have a grasp of the lore of each Fromsoftware game and had enough discussions with people who have similar understanding of the lore - I've never felt the need to watch Vaait or put weight into any YouTubers thoughts on the game anymore than the average person online.

i'm not boosting my opinion by using Vaati's credibility, that's called 'borrowed ethos.'
i'm not appealing to Vaati's authority to prove my point etiher.

what i'm doing is laying all opinions about Fromsoftware games alongside each other, and putting them on equal footing, and asking whether any opinions about the games stand out as being singular or better crafted than the others. Vaati's stands out to me as an opinion worth noticing, and compared to some others (just check the steam reviews) Vaati's is just on a higher level.

you may disagree, but then again, we're just talking about opinions here, right? one is just as good as the next, right?

[Xengre]

OP... which game is better aside, your logic is totally screwed up.

You've played ER 8x and beaten Dark Souls 3 prior. At this point you've gained considerable experience with this type of game so it is only natural at this point you find these games easier.

Further, you probably played Elden Ring wrong initially making it appear harder than it is such as not enough Vigor blah blah which jaded your opinion but now I'm sure you stomp through it (I'd certainly hope 8 play-through later...).

You then equated completion length to a measure of difficulty. Elden Ring is a fairly substantial open world game. Sure, it isn't comparable in scale to Xenoblade Chronicles franchise or Zelda Breath of the Wild in terms of content/world size and playtime, but it is far larger than the linear and short Dark Souls 3. You're really surprised you finished DS3 that fast?

/facepalm

Now if we were to comment on a measure of which is better I can understand why some would find one game better than the other.

On Elden Ring's side you have sheer amount of content, even if it is bland copy repeat and unrefined. If they like it enough its okay for some. It does magic/incantations/dragon magic better. It offers better build variety.

On Dark Souls 3 side you get actual level design and not literally copy pasted tunnel square rooms for the 90th dungeon. You get varied bosses that are far more refined (tho some are still awful) and more interesting than much of Elden Rings, but its PvE trash mobs are copy pasta and even worse than Elden Rings. Dark Souls 3 is far more thematic where Elden Rings has moments of thematic strength but a really big bland and empty world with many set pieces that fall way to short thematically plus the awful copy pasta dungeons (made worse by actual decent legacy dungeons... showing just how bad their bland ones are).

Still, people are going to have their opinions but your thread... The logic lol

[Gabi]

引用自 hemorrhage911：

引用自 Holografix：

lmao

Bloodborne is certainly better in terms of atmosphere and story - only story that rivals it is Dark Souls 1. Combat is more evolved in Elden Ring and the builds are pretty basic in Bloodborne, I give the edge to Elden Ring. Level Design, it just depends on the area.

There are more things ins Elden Ring's combat, they don't amount to an overall improvement for myself.

For example Ashes fundamentally results in the design of bosses being more aggressive meaning the way you interact with the enemy is having them not be attacking you and attacking your ashes or vice versa while the other person not target does the damage. Sure it is possible to play differently to this, but that does seem to be part of the core of why the aggression was turned up.

Tracking is another major issue Elden Ring has with some bosses mid heavy attack doing a 180 to hit you, sure prior games had some tracking but Bloodborne was far more reasonable and didn't feel like random punishments.

Beyond that enemies hitting though your hits (you hit them but they keep swinging through it) is a larger issue in Elden Ring, sure for the large bosses doing a heavy attack this makes sense and feels fine but it extends to far more enemies then felt good, at least for myself.

I both enjoyed Elden Ring and was immensely disappointed by it, to me to increase the difficulty instead of fixing issues there combat system has had, they have leaned into those issues to create what felt like me a lot of artificial difficulty that was overall less satisfying to play.

[John Titor]

引用自 LangrisserWWE：

Try going back to dark souls 3 after playing Elden Ring.

Try going back to Metal Gear after playing Death Stranding. Then you'll see a thing or two.

[doerf]

i think elden ring is amazing and all but the fluidness of sekiro is too good